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New York ~ 1959
Long John Nebel Show
Margaret Storm

interview ~ May 1959 ~ last half

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.Otis T. Carr~~~~~~knew Tesla
.Margaret Storm~~.~knew Tesla
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.Arthur H. Matthews~.knew Tesla
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The world was not prepared for it. It was too far ahead of its time. But the same laws will prefail
in the end and make it a triumphant success.
Margaret Storm : 1:17:46 laughs. Well... at any rate... as I say... the... public must be a... be made aware of all these things and be... willing to accept the new a... the new types of machinery... and such... and that even applies to even to... a... Otis T. Carr's spaceship... and all the many free energy devices. Therefore... in order to educate the public... a... various a... a... plans were carried out... to acquaint them gradually with these things. And that was why Tesla a... was asked to present to the public... a... the a... radio and the... the television. And a... he made the original... invented the original a... coils... and so forth... that made those a... devices possible.
If we use fuel to get our power, we are living on our capital and exhausting it rapidly. This method is barbarous and wantingly wasteful and will have to be stopped in the interest of coming generations.
Nikola Tesla
Nikola Tesla

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levitation is not accompanied by any heat
using this tube of light... Tesla calls the Wall of Light
Carr's book
Carr met the same resistance forces of darkness that plagued Tesla
attempt made to silence him
this push button civilization which is the next step
we have been under planetary law isolated from the other planets
the laggards came
Tesla knew about life on other planets and could discuss it freely
I would like to know something about Margaret Storm
first picked up the threads of former embodiment in Paris
person who levitates has a feel they reached a certain vibration
Tesla was a great discoverer... a great inventor
Edison was not an inventor at all... he was more of a developer
Tesla... introducing alternating current
Tesla... having wonderful time astounding them in his laboratory
Otis T. Carr calls it... Circular Foil Spacecraft
Carrotto Gravity Motor
Carr... devices will power anything... hearing aid to a spaceship
have a Carrotto Motor at home and don't need gasoline in the car
our vast power supply industry would just simply be eliminated
I think it could create chaos for the country
we must change our... entire civilization
Mr. Carr's devise... that opportunity was struck down
lift the whole population from it's state of drudgery
the great danger lies... in not using that pleasure time properly
raising whole consciousness and awareness of the people
the act was straightened October 1958 cataclysm will pass
I don't quite understand it Margaret I really don't...
Margaret Storm never printed second book... Flame of the Dove
Oh... the Rod of Power
It is the one factor which controls... interplanetary travel
the space station is presumably on the Moon... sort of inside
scheduled to go to the Moon... on December 7th
cosmic laws much easier to understand referring to Tesla
the Interplanetary Communication Set... I was up at his home
you have to educate the public to accept it and to... demand it
tunes in to this population of the center of the Earth
Tesla was asked to present to the public radio and television
Tesla Interplanetary Communications the public was not ready for it
Mr. Matthews was asked by the space people not to reveal...
Otis needs special information that he can not conceive...
Because he had to learn to... be guided by the over shadowing
The Utron Motor... taps the energy of pure Space itself
the fine value of the of Nikola Tesla should not be forgotten

Mr. Tesla's experiments with vibrations... and how at one time...
a large portion of New York City started to practically collapse
blocks around Tesla's laboratory... things began to vibrate
Well... I mean... how large was this vibrator
it must be Mr. Tesla's because so many weird things happened...
Tesla's laboratory was the last thing to vibrate in resonances
started to vibrate for many blocks around buildings were shaking vibration was so high he had to smash the machine with an axe
the Empire State Building you could knock the whole building down

there isn't one mention of it in the index... Otis T. Carr
Matthews is listed there?
And he isn't listed either
the whole thing... is a very profoundly serious thing
this was an event which shook New York City
It says Tesla's laboratory was on the upper floor of a loft building
I want to recommend Margaret Storm's book: Return of the Dove
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Long John Nebel
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Margaret Storm
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Nikola Tesla
Arthur Matthews
Otis T. Carr
Ellery Lanier
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says... this is a very
profoundly serious thing
Eden Gray
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knows electricity...
quotes John O'Neill book
Warren Icpac
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Can't grasp the wizard Tesla makes jokes
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Margaret Storm : 0:00:12 Now the a... what do you think we have... of... of leaving the body... that is quite true. Many persons a... do that... a... for a particular reason... and a the... they can leave their body... and then a... go travel a distance... 0:00:29 and then they can lower their vibrations... of the finer body. So that it can... afford to be a physical body but it is not. 0:00:39 This is also a... a true in the case of many of the space people a... who have been reported. They seem to have physical bodies... but actually... their physical bodies are not like ours... and if they do have.... have the a... physical organs inside.... (?)(?)(?).

Ellery Lanier : 0:00:59 Margaret... you said... that in order to a... levitate you have to... speed up the... or I believe... you said further... speeded up the vibrations of his bodies?

Margaret Storm : 0:01:07 Yes... raise the vibrations of the a... speed up the a... rotation of the atoms... raise the vibration of the body.

Ellery Lanier : 0:01:13 Nor conventionally it is understood... that if you put something into a fire... if you put a piece of iron into a fire... you will a... speed up the vibrations of its atoms. It's called... a heat. Or if a man goes into a steam room... and gets real hot and sweaty... his vibrations would be considerable increased.. and have you heard of... anyone going into a steam room and levitating?

Margaret Storm : 0:01:37 laughs. No... because of... this a... a... process or practice of a... levitation... a... is not accompanied by any heat.

Ellery Lanier : 0:01:47 Well I hear that say... that some of the Tibetan a... Lamas... who just sit in the cold and ice... and rings of vibrations of their bodies to ward off the cold.

Margaret Storm : 0:01:57 Well... they can a... they... well I... they can do that I suppose... but a... in Return of the Dove... a... I a... describe... a... in fact I quote a... (?)(?)...a... written by Mrs. Else (?)do-o(?). And a... she tell about using this tube of light... which is a... which Tesla calls the Wall of Light... and which is part of the... anti-war machine.

Eden Gray : 0:02:25 : Oh yeah... that's fascinating...

Margaret Storm : 0:02:27 Yes...

Eden Gray : 0:02:27 ... part of your book...

Margaret Storm : 0:02:27 Yes... and a... she is...

Eden Gray : 0:02:29 ... that's something we can all... a... a... use.

Margaret Storm : 0:02:33 Yes... yes... that's right... a...

Eden Gray : 0:02:34 No (?)(?) directions (?)... directions there...

Ellery Lanier : 0:02:36 No... Eden...

Eden Gray : 0:02:37 ... directions there...

Ellery Lanier : 0:02:38 Ivan...

Eden Gray : 0:02:39 ... for a... each person to be able to... protect themselves with it.

Margaret Storm : 0:02:42 Yes... that is very true. And a... the a... the Tube of Light... if properly used... will ward off a... excessive heat or a... cold. And a... Mrs. (?)(?) who lived in Chicago and a... she would walk down the a... in the wintertime... walk down the a... windy streets... there... and she a... did not...

Eden Gray : 0:03:01 It can be pretty windy there too.

Margaret Storm : 0:03:03 Yes... it can be very cold and windy in Chicago.

Ellery Lanier : 0:03:05 Well... I thought it was very amusing Margaret... that this... Wall of Light... could be used to keep... annoying a... a... stray dogs in the neighborhood... neighborhood... away from her phone.

Margaret Storm : 0:03:14 Well you see... a... the interesting thing a...
I believe... that a... which I hope people... who read the... Return of the Dove will find interesting. Is that I have a... brought up... practical things. I mean
these things can be used practical matter.

Ellery Lanier : 0:03:30 Margaret...

Eden Gray : 0:03:30 Have you used the tube of light?

Margaret Storm : 0:03:31 Oh yes... I always do... yes.

Ellery Lanier : 0:03:33 Margaret I did wanted to say that a... your book... Return of the Dove is... valuable... even without the (?)(?) the book... the listing of reference materials that you have at the end of the book is... is... is rather great you know?

Margaret Storm : 0:03:47 Yes... I thought it was quite interesting myself. laughs.

Eden Gray : 0:03:52 Some of this... or some of those books were (?)(?) aren't they?

Margaret Storm : 0:03:54 Well... some were (?)(?) and a... I was questioned about that... and...

Warren Icpac : 0:03:58 Look (?)olivan(?)

Margaret Storm : 0:04:00 No some of them are absent. I was questioned about that... and I said... well... I'm going to put them in there anyway... because they should be in sent... if their out.

Long John Nebel : 0:04:08 I was wondering...

Margaret Storm : 0:04:08 There is such a demand for them.

Long John Nebel : 0:04:09 Yeah... I was wondering about a... Carr's book... Dimensions of Mystic?

Margaret Storm : 0:04:14 Yes.

Long John Nebel : 0:04:14 Has this been written or is it something that he... ?

Margaret Storm : 0:04:15 Oh... yah... that's been written. And a... it was published in one of those little a... a... pre-a... publication forum. It's a very interesting.

Eden Gray : 0:04:26 Do you know if it's available?

Margaret Storm : 0:04:27 Dimensions of Mysteries?

Eden Gray : 0:04:28 uh huh.

Margaret Storm : 0:04:28 Why I think they have a few of those a... copies left. They're not printed copies... but they're a... sort of off-set... (?)(?) something like that (?) draft of... Return of the Dove.

Ellery Lanier : 0:04:39 Is that the one that had a good deal of poetry in it?

Margaret Storm : 0:04:41 Yes.

Long John Nebel : 0:04:42 Oh... I think I saw that...

Margaret Storm : 0:04:41 Yes... I think you did.

Long John Nebel : 0:04:42 Yeah... I did. For a moment... I... I didn't remember.

Margaret Storm : 0:04:46 And if you a... can interpret it properly... you can build a spaceship (?). laughs

Long John Nebel : 0:04:52 Could you say that again.

Margaret Storm : 0:04:53 This isn't an allegory. laughs

Long John Nebel : 0:04:55 Carr did this?

Margaret Storm : 0:04:56 Yes.

Long John Nebel : 0:04:57 Well why... why was he so... mystical about it... why didn't he just tell us how to build a spaceship?

Margaret Storm : 0:05:02 Well... he was just learning himself... this was written some time ago. And a... he first a... tested it on the school instead of going...

Long John Nebel : 0:05:12 Don't you think... possibly... during the time that he was in the hospital in Oklahoma City... that maybe some... thoughful disciple should have sent him a copy of it... so that he could... read it again... to possibly find out to... (?)(?) OTC (?)(?)

Eden Gray : 0:05:27 laughs.
Margaret Storm : 0:05:27 laughs.

Margaret Storm : 0:05:29 Well I think... I think a... Otis knows how to protect his... laughs...

Long John Nebel : 0:05:33 I don't doubt that. I mean... seem to me that it's better... of course. Did you want to ask something...

Warren Icpac : 0:05:39 Margaret... on page 232 of your book... Return of the Dove... I find... something very intriguing...

Margaret Storm : 0:05:45 Yes.

Warren Icpac : 0:05:46 You said that Carr... has already made the same... met the same resistance... from the forces of darkness that plagued Tesla. And as usual... it comes from... the money channels and treats of economic boycott. This time in relation to newspaper advertising.

Margaret Storm : 0:05:59 uh huh.

Warren Icpac : 0:06:00 I understand that Mr... a... Carr... of OTC Enterprises aren't very interested actually in newspaper advertising... and it was quite available to him... down in Oklahoma City.

Margaret Storm : 0:06:10 Oh well... in Oklahoma City that's a... it doesn't matter... this book was finished long before... Oklahoma City... a... came into the picture. The newspaper advertising that I'm referring to a... was a page ad... which a... was refused by certain daily papers... and later... was a... used by some of the suburban papers around Baltimore... and it's that page that you see a... quite often... that's used a... the reprint a... used in the a... Carr literature kit and so forth.

Warren Icpac : 0:06:41 Well this really what intrigued me and all. I discussed it with you a little before the coffee break. If a... Carr is following in Tesla's footsteps... to a certain degree... a... why isn't there a... an attempt made to... silence him... or to... stop his experiments... of anything like this?

Margaret Storm : 0:07:00 Well as I explained... that is because... of the changing times... a... that is a changing era. And a... the time that we are in. That is the reason.

Warren Icpac : 0:07:09 Well... when did it start... this era... this... changing of the times?

Margaret Storm : 0:07:12 Well... actually it started a... in a... in a certain manner... about a... twenty years ago. And a... that was when I spoke about the beginning of the changing of the axis. And a... it has a... been going steadily forward... a... since that time there have been many many changes. But it is only in the last a... a last two or three years... that a... many things have come to the point... where we can now go ahead with this a... push button civilization... which is the next step.

Warren Icpac : 0:07:45 Margaret...

Margaret Storm : 0:07:45 We must have a... a... a complete a...
de-cancellation of city lights... and a... a complete a... push button civilization. Which will give the people... the opportunity to have... a lot more leisure time... and well... you see... a... the thing is... during the past... 19 million years... we have been under planetary law. In other words... a... this planet was isolated from the other planets... and
that is the reason that we... we're not even aware that the other planets were inhabited.

Warren Icpac : 0:08:21 Well this seems to be...

Margaret Storm : 0:08:22 This is because of the lag... the laggards came in... and the discord that a... was...

Warren Icpac : 0:08:28 Margaret...

Margaret Storm : 0:08:28 ... were not permitted to go out...

Warren Icpac : 0:08:29 Margaret... let me interrupt for a moment. This seems to be... very similar to a story that was told here by... George Van Tassel.

Margaret Storm : 0:08:37 Well... a... (?) figure up a... what I mean a... it's not a new story... it isn't anything that made up... you know. laughs

Warren Icpac : 0:08:44 I understand... Mr. Van Tassel... well... his story about the... actual visitors... is a little bit different than... what I read about... Mr. Matthews... a... visitors... I mean a...

Margaret Storm : 0:08:55 Well... you see a... we do not... that is... Mr. Carr and Tesla and Mr. Matthews and myself are not considered a... space contacts in the sense... that a... that these other people consider themselves space contacts. I mean... Mr. a... Matthews for instance has a... been having... eight visitors... a... since 1947. Mr. a... Carr... has seen many spaceships. And Tesla knew all about life on other planets... and a... could a... discuss it freely. I have never seen a spaceship... I have never talked to a space person... and yet I understand the a... the whole story. So we are in a... somewhat different... a... category... now a...

Warren Icpac : 0:09:50 Do you accept all the... reports that you've heard?

Margaret Storm : 0:09:52 Well... I... I don't have to accept them... I merely know whether they are true or whether they are not true. And a... of course many of these a... contact stories I a... do not accept.

Warren Icpac : 0:10:04 What about... Howard Menger?

Margaret Storm : 0:10:06 Well... a...

Long John Nebel : 0:10:07 May I interrupt a moment. I think it would be unfair a... Warren to a... ask Margaret... a... to give her opinion... opinions about all these people that claim... a... contact. I hope that you'll accept my suggestion in good faith. However I can... readily appreciate your great interest in knowing how Margaret... is in a position to know when a story it true or not.

Warren Icpac : 0:10:36 Well... I think that I would ask that question... although I would accept... if Margaret told me... that she had seen a spacecraft I would believe her. I think that she is a very... honest woman. I think you can tell these things by talking with somebody by knowing them. I can't say for all the people I met as far as flying saucers are concerned. I mean... there's a certain... certain amount of fog that exist in parts of New Jersey although not in Parsippany of course. And a... I think that quite possibly some of this fog... might have... actually... through a process of osmosis... actually invaded the... little gray cells... as Hercule Poirot use to say... of certain people in... New Jersey. I was just asking about one of the people just in general. I will pass that subject on and go to... George Van Tassel.

Margaret Storm : 0:11:21 Well... I would like to say this... about all of the a... about all of the space contacts. You see... sometimes a... these contacts... are perfectly a... fine in the beginning... and then a... the individuals... who a... has the contact... a... does not carry out the... work... or whatever the purpose the contact was. And a.. then the contact is lost... and the individual doesn't know quite how to a... how to adjust himself... and a... therefore it a... becomes a very confused issue. And in some cases the a... the contact a... are on another plane. For instance a... where they might have had physical a... contacts from the beginning... they a... then a have... what are known as astral contacts... and they... they really... they may be sincere. They may think that their... they're physical contacts...

Warren Icpac : 0:12:23 Mr. Van Tassel...

Margaret Storm : 0:12:24 ... but not... actually know the difference.

Warren Icpac : 0:12:25 Mr. Van Tassel... as I remember... telepathic communication... actually... entirely.

Margaret Storm : 0:12:29 Well... there again is something... you've got to be sure where your telepathic communication is coming from. And a... a... if a... the only way that you can tell... is a... through the a... through the vibrations.

Warren Icpac : 0:12:44 Well the thing I couldn't...

Margaret Storm : 0:12:44 And the person who is trained in that should know... immediately... whether it's not...

Warren Icpac : 0:12:48 Where it's coming from.

Margaret Storm : 0:12:49 ... a... it's a... the vibration is correct.

Long John Nebel : 0:12:52 I want to ask you a question... a... Margaret... you said that you have never a... talked to space people?

Margaret Storm : 0:13:00 That's right.

Long John Nebel : 0:13:02 How do you know?

Margaret Storm : 0:13:05 Oh well... if I talked to them and didn't know it... a... that's another matter.

Long John Nebel : 0:13:08 Not that I believe that anybody has (?) them. In other words... if you're so certain that you would... that you... haven't talked to them... I was wondering...

Miss Eden : 0:13:19 Why the shaker certainty?

Margaret Storm : 0:13:19 Well...

Long John Nebel : 0:13:20 Go on.

Margaret Storm : 0:13:22 I a... I talked to Calvin Bergren... you did too.

Long John Nebel : 0:13:25 Well he (?)(?)(?) say anything...

Margaret Storm : 0:13:28 Well I don't know... is he a space person or not?

Warren Icpac : 0:13:30 Not from what he told me.

Long John Nebel : 0:13:32 He says he was born in Lancaster Pennsylvania.

Margaret Storm : 0:13:36 Well yeah... Calvin (?)

Long John Nebel : 0:13:39 He spoke (?) to space people.

Warren Icpac : 0:13:41 I have a... about 3 pages of notes right here John... from Mr. (?)(?)

Margaret Storm : 0:13:46 Did you read his book?

Warren Icpac : 0:13:48 Yes I did. And I have a thousand sources.

Margaret Storm : 0:13:50 Yes... and I have a thousand sources.

Warren Icpac : 0:13:48 He has... visited the other planets.

Long John Nebel : 0:13:54 That's right... he never claimed... that he was a space person.

Warren Icpac : 0:13:57 Must have (?) Larry (?)

Margaret Storm : 0:13:58 Well... I don't know... a... it seemed to me... I was a little a... a little a... confused about it myself... because a... you remember that after... he was injured that time... with 21 bullets in his back...

Warren Icpac : 0:14:11 Twenty-five.

Margaret Storm : 0:14:12 Twenty-five... uh huh.

Long John Nebel : 0:14:13 In Korea.

Margaret Storm : 0:14:14 In Korea... yes. And then a... he was taken up into a (?) flying (?)(?) and healed in four days... by a space person.

Long John Nebel : 0:14:23 And I think they have the a... the records too.

Margaret Storm : 0:14:25 That's right. So what does that make Calvin? Calvin Gervin... or a space person?

Long John Nebel : 0:14:31 Well I couldn't answer that question... any more than I. Well I.. I know it's not. I think you are referring to... (?)(?). In other words...

Margaret Storm : 0:14:38 No I'm not. I didn't know anything about Prince Merr... up until tonight.

Long John Nebel : 0:14:41 You never heard of him?

Margaret Storm : 0:14:43 I heard of him... but I didn't know anything about this story.

Long John Nebel : 0:14:45 You know... I would like to know something about Margaret Storm.

Margaret Storm : 0:14:49 Oh.

Long John Nebel : 0:14:51 I mean that sincerely... I'd like to know something about your background Margaret.

Margaret Storm : 0:14:55 What my background?

Long John Nebel : 0:14:57 uh huh.

Margaret Storm : 0:14:57 Well... I... mentioned something there.

Long John Nebel : 0:14:59 No... lets lets... lets... forget about the book for a moment.

Margaret Storm : 0:15:02 laughs.

Long John Nebel : 0:15:03 How did you become interested in... in all of these... so called... off beat things... shall we say... claim their off beat?

Margaret Storm : 0:15:10 A...

Long John Nebel : 0:15:10 When did it happen? Ten years ago... fifteen... twenty years ago?

Margaret Storm : 0:15:14 Oh no... I a... can not remember a time when I was not interested.

Long John Nebel : 0:15:19 You can not remember a time...

Margaret Storm : 0:15:22 When I was not interested. In a... such as the stars... the people who live there and stars... and things of that sort... if that's what you call off beat... out of this world.

Long John Nebel : 0:15:34 I don't mean to be derogatory... in any manner.

Margaret Storm : 0:15:37 laughs

Long John Nebel : 0:15:37 Let me ask you this...

Margaret Storm : 0:15:38 No... when I was a... when I was a very small child I remember I just accepted those things... I mean I... looked out... at the stars and a...

Long John Nebel : 0:15:46 Well isn't it... it... childish... a...

Margaret Storm : 0:15:50 Oh maybe so... I don't know...

Long John Nebel : 0:15:51 (?)(?)...

Margaret Storm : 0:15:52 ... perhaps a... many children do. But a... the thing is... that I didn't loose that a... I didn't loose those ideas.

Long John Nebel : 0:16:00 Did your parents encourage you in this work?

Margaret Storm : 0:16:04 No... I a... I... I was not a... encouraged exactly a... but a...

Long John Nebel : 0:16:11 And you weren't... discouraged?

Margaret Storm : 0:16:13 I was not discouraged... that's right.

Long John Nebel : 0:16:15 Did your mother believe in any of these things... or your father?

Margaret Storm : 0:16:18 A... no... not to my knowledge. My father was a... a very a... original thinker in that he was an inventor. And a... my mother passed away when I was only three years old... so I don't know too much about her ideas. But a... as I say... I was not... I was a... allowed to a... think very freely on any... subject. And I was never... never a... limited.

Long John Nebel : 0:16:48 When you became and adult... did you ever stop to consider these ideas... (?) a way to begin?

Margaret Storm : 0:16:57 No... I just sort of went along and a... then as I explain in the little a... a sketch... out of the astral sketch from... Return of the Dove... that when I... went to a... live in... Paris... that I a... first a... picked up the threads of a former embodiment... in Paris. And...

Long John Nebel : 0:17:18 Of your former embodiment?

Margaret Storm : 0:17:20 Yes... ah huh. And I didn't know... anything about it.
I never heard of reincarnation in those days. But even so... it didn't a... it didn't seem strange to me. It seemed so perfectly a... natural and normal to... go into a... old buildings and palaces...

Long John Nebel : 0:17:36 How did you learn about this? In other words... you're in Paris... did somebody talk to you about reincarnation?

Margaret Storm : 0:17:41 No not then. About four years later... I came back to the United States. When I returned... I happened to a... be talking to someone and they spoke about reincarnation... and they were telling about something... the ladies reincarnation... and I was... simply listened... and within a matter of a... couple of minutes... I... had decided that a... that was a... what had... what I a... been experiencing.

Eden Gray : 0:18:07 What do you remember... you recognized things in Paris... that you...?

Margaret Storm : 0:18:11 Oh yes... yes. Just the old places. And such as the... Palace of Versailles and a... various buildings... and so forth... that were there at the time of... of the French Revolution.

Long John Nebel : 0:18:23 Were you a famous person... in any of your other incarnations?

Margaret Storm : 0:18:26 I don't know. laughs. About any of my incarnations... any of my other incarnations.

Long John Nebel : 0:18:34 You don't remember those?

Margaret Storm : 0:18:36 No. Not a...not in the a... detail.

Long John Nebel : 0:18:39 Then how do you know you haven't... if you don't remember anything? Just the fact that you recognize something... and you think that you have been there before... would not necessarily mean that you have been there. There is a way of explaining it... and believe me... it is too deep for me... and it isn't by explaining it... through reincarnation.

Margaret Storm : 0:18:55 Well... it wouldn't explain it as far as I am concerned... because of a...

Long John Nebel : 0:18:59 Have you ever been hypnotized?

Margaret Storm : 0:19:00 No.

Long John Nebel : 0:19:01 Have you ever thought about it?

Margaret Storm : 0:19:03 Well... yes I have...

Long John Nebel : 0:19:04 To be regressed to a possible prenatal experience.

Margaret Storm : 0:19:07 Well I wouldn't a... do anything of that sort. I have a... watched a... experiments of hypnotism. And a... people have attempted to hypnotise me... but they couldn't get anywhere.

Long John Nebel : 0:19:20 You were a difficult subject?.

Margaret Storm : 0:19:22 I guess that's what you would call it... yes.

Long John Nebel : 0:19:25 Supposing that... somebody did hypnotise you... maybe in Milwaukee... for that matter... but I'm not a hypnotist. But say... somebody hypnotised you... and they tape recorded everything that you said... during the time... that you were in the hypnotic trance. Would you a... would you believe all the material that... was played back to you?

Margaret Storm : 0:19:43 Well I wouldn't have any way of saying that. Because in the first place... I think... a... I mean I have no a... you might say sympathy of the subject. And a...

Long John Nebel : 0:19:53 The subject of hypnotism or reincarnation?

Margaret Storm : 0:19:55 Hypnotism. That is... I a... I agree that it can be done... and a... all of that... but I would think it would be a rather dangerous thing. And I am... not sure the information would be... of the highest caliber... in other words... a...

Long John Nebel : 0:20:11 There may be inaccuracies?

Margaret Storm : 0:20:14 Well I don't know that you would call them inaccuracies exactly... but you might get a lot of unimportant dribble.

Long John Nebel : 0:20:22 Soon to be worked on (?)(?)... unimportant dribble as you get some... important dribble out.

Margaret Storm : 0:20:28 laughs... No I think that memory a... or that rather forgetting is a... (?)(?)... and that of course... is the reason why... a... most of us a... do not remember past lives... and why... most people have no a... interest in the subject of a... reincarnation because...

Long John Nebel : 0:20:55 Do you have...

Margaret Storm : 0:20:56 They're past lives... their are not worth remembering. Although I'm very interested in a... I mean I accept the subject... I don't a... I wouldn't say... that I am very much interested in it... because it's a... to me it's a fact... and a... therefore a... something to be... considered (?).

Long John Nebel : 0:21:14 You know the story about... Edger Casey?

Margaret Storm : 0:21:16 Oh yes .

Long John Nebel : 0:21:15 .About his life readings?

Margaret Storm : 0:21:17 I know the Edger Casey group quite well.

Long John Nebel : 0:21:20 Do you a... buy the life readings? Do you think he was able to do this?

we have been under planetary law. In other words this planet was isolated from the other planets and that is the reason that we we're not even aware that the other planets were inhabited.
Mr. Matthews
practice of levitation is not accompanied by any heat.
Carr... met the same resistance from the forces of darkness that plagued Tesla. And as usual it comes from the money channels and treats of economic boycott.
if you a can interpret it properly you can build a spaceship
she tell about using this tube of light which Tesla calls the Wall of Light
and which is part of
the anti-war machine.
Dimensions of Mysteries
Carr's book...
Mr. Matthews for instance has been having eight visitors since 1947. Mr. Carr has seen many spaceships. And Tesla knew all about life on other planets and could discuss it freely.
I first picked up the threads of a former embodiment in Paris
the laggards came
This interview recorded after
Return of the Dove published 1959 date.
I have brought up practical things. I mean these things can be used practical matter.
Have you used
the tube of light?
Howard Menger
High Bridge, New Jersey
The subject of hypnotism or reincarnation?
many things have come to the point... where we can now go ahead with this push button civilization... which is the next step.
If Carr is following in Tesla's footsteps to a certain degree... why isn't there an attempt made to silence him or to stop his experiments...
they can leave their body and then go travel a distance...
They seem to have physical bodies but actually their physical bodies are not like ours...
raise the vibrations of the speed up the rotation of the atoms raise the vibration of the body.
each person to be able to protect themselves with it.
the Tube of Light
if properly used
will ward off excessive heat or cold.
Tell us about it?
Should be the follow-up question
Oh yes
I always do... yes.
why was he so mystical about it why didn't he
just tell us how to
build a spaceship?
this book was
finished
long before...
Oklahoma City
was refused by certain daily papers and later used by some of the suburban papers
around Baltimore...
Questioning
Margaret
why don't they
stop Carr.
Does Warren Icpac
think it's progress
to stop Carr?
because of the
changing times.
Tesla knew
I would like to know something about
Margaret Storm.
My father was a very a original thinker in that he was an inventor. And my mother passed away when I was only three years old...
Of your
former embodiment?
Yes. And I didn't know anything about it. I never heard of reincarnation in those days. But even so it didn't seem strange to me.
you recognized things in Paris...?
Oh yes. Just the old places. And such as the Palace of Versailles and various buildings and so forth that were there at the time of the French Revolution.

Margaret Storm : 0:21:25 Why... I do not a... know... really what (?)way(?) to answer that. Of course I... I know about some of the life readings... and a... I... in the cases that I know about... they... apparently were correct. At least there was nothing that could be a... proved or disproved. And a... they seem to be correct... but a... I... think there is always a question about the... about the life readings... a... about the value of them. Because they may be taken from the... a... from the etheric records... or the... cachet records... as they are sometimes called. In which case the a... destructive a... memories are... revived... along with the constructive... and this I do not buy.

Long John Nebel : 0:22:13 Where did you learn all of this?

Margaret Storm : 0:22:16 Oh I don't know... I just picked them up... here and there.

Long John Nebel : 0:22:18 Oh really? Talking with people... going to lectures?

Margaret Storm : 0:22:21 Oh no... I would say that a... I don't know... they just come to me.

Long John Nebel : 0:22:27 If they just... pardon me... if they just came to you... how do you know they're accurate? Well supposing I am sitting here now... and I'm just relaxed. And all of a sudden... a... I realize that a... many years ago... in this studio that this... a... grand piano over here... use to walk around... the three legs became activated. And no one told me this... no one ever saw it... but... I think this happened. Would this be right for me to... say this over the air or tell you this? Because the way you are talking to us now... you're telling us things... that you... know happened. Not that you think... but that you know happened.

Margaret Storm : 0:23:05 Well... a... as I explained earlier... these things a... that you a... know... whether or not... the thing was correct. According to the vibrations with the a... thing... that is connection with it (?)(?)(?).

Long John Nebel : 0:23:19 Would you describe a vibration that you have experienced? What is a vibration like?

Margaret Storm : 0:23:25 Well... I think that a...

Long John Nebel : 0:23:27 Is it... is it something tangible... something you actually feel?

Margaret Storm : 0:23:30 Yes... comparable to (?)... if you went down the street... and a... you met a... an old friend... someone you liked very much... you haven't seen them for a long time. Well wouldn't you experience a certain vibration... wouldn't there be a... a flash of recognition... and feeling of warmth and... happiness in meeting him?

Long John Nebel : 0:23:51 Well yes.

Margaret Storm : 0:23:52 Well then a... then this is... in other words... this is true is it not... it's truth... you have met and old friend. So there is a certain vibration which enables you know... that you have met and old friend... and a... this is not something that you have just conjured up. So that's all there is to it.

Long John Nebel : 0:24:10 Supposing that you had an idea now... that by... taking the contents of that bottle... about a half a bottle of milk over there... half a quart of coffee... cream over there... and if you poured it into this pitcher... that has water in it. Supposing you had an idea... that if you put these two things together... that you'd get ginger ale. You just had that feeling that you were right... do you think that would really happen?

Margaret Storm : 0:24:37 Well... there's a great deal through a... qualifying substance and a... I have a...

Long John Nebel : 0:24:45 You know it would be pretty easy to prove... that this could... or could not happen... by conducting the experiment... right? But the things that you talk about... are things that you can't even... prove or disprove. In other words... they're just ideas.

Margaret Storm : 0:25:01 No... I wouldn't say so... a....

Long John Nebel : 0:25:03 You tell us they're right... because you tell us you had a vibration (?)(?).

Margaret Storm : 0:25:08 Well... you might say that going down the street and meeting and old friend a... to someone else... it might just seem like an idea... because they wouldn't know whether or not you went down the street... they would not know whether or not that you... met and old friend.

Long John Nebel : 0:25:21 I think that's a little (?). I don't think that anybody would question you about meeting... and old friend. In other words a... if you came up to the studio... a... this morning and said... John... as I was coming into the studio... I met a person I haven't seen in the last twenty years... her name was... Mary Jones and a... wonderful person... very fine artist... a concert pianist. And I say... isn't that nice. And you say... we had a cup of coffee... just before... I came up go on the air (?)(?). There would be no reason for me to contradict you... or ask you any questions about it... a

Margaret Storm : 0:25:58 Well...

Long John Nebel : 0:25:59 Her name is Mary Jones... it wasn't Mary Smith.

Margaret Storm : 0:26:02 Yes... but do you know why? Because you... have established some sort of a feeling... a vibration in connection with me... so that you feel that a... that if I said this... I would be a... speaking the truth... the truth.

Long John Nebel : 0:26:17 Well I had no idea that you're not...

Margaret Storm : 0:26:19 uh huh.

Long John Nebel : 0:26:17 ... telling us the truth about anything Margaret. But I don't get this same... but there... I don't even get any vibration at the moment... but I don't get a vibration... that you're telling the truth... and I don't get a vibration... that you're telling a lie. I don't think you're lying. But I mean it's hard for me... to buy... what you're saying. And you... you just don't offer anything. You just say... now if you tell me... I read this... in three books... and I heard it at a lecture... not that it would... be any better or that I would accept it... because of the... sort... of a couple of books... but I... you know if their not all strange. But when you tell me... you think of these things and they're ripe... because you get a vibration... I just don't go along.

Margaret Storm : 0:27:05 Well... a... you see a... some people a... do study books and a... get many... a... things out of them. And they believe things because somebody else a... wrote about them in a book. But what about the person who wrote the book? Somewhere back... a... probably with the person who wrote the book... hadn't read books. Then what authority do they have. So you have to go back to the beginning somewhere.

Long John Nebel : 0:26:31 I realize that. But we're starting with the beginning with you... because you tell us... you didn't get these things out of books.

Margaret Storm : 0:27:35 Well... I mean... by that. Of course I have been quite a reader... and a... I have done a great deal of study. But what I mean is... just because I find an idea in a book... does not necessarily mean that I accept it... just because it's in that book. Or that I accept it in that way. Fore instance... I might take an idea... from one book and a... than a... gradually a... fit in other pieces from a half a dozen other books. And then out of this... a... I might get some entirely new concepts about something... which I would say would just come to me. In other words... it's a... simply a... gradually evolving thing. And I believe that a lot of it might be called... a... intuitive.

Long John Nebel : 0:28:20 I have been thought more questions that everybody here trying to... did you want to say something about the latter?

Ellery Lanier : 0:28:29 John... I think a little earlier you were... getting into the question of not simply vibrations... but what are called... sympathetic vibrations. Where... one thing... or... vibrations are very simple in my language... it's when something is shaking.

Margaret Storm : 0:28:45 coughs.

Ellery Lanier : 0:28:47 And there's no... nothing complicated about it. It's a... something is shaking... like waves on water... or a piece of string being a... waves... or even snapping a wip for. Warren Icpac watching the horses... or things like that. I mean... these... these are vibrations.

Long John Nebel : 0:29:04 (?)(?) Pocahontas City.

Margaret Storm : 0:29:07 laughs

Ellery Lanier : 0:29:07 Yes... matter a fact... we never did go into a description of that did we?

Long John Nebel : 0:29:11 Somebody really should. It was fabulous.

Ellery Lanier : 0:29:15 There was trio of book snappers. (?) let there go. But the question of the sympathetic vibrations is what happens when the (?)(?) takes a... wine glass... and hits a certain note in a song... the wine glass shatters. Or the business of... a troop of soldiers marching across the bridge and suddenly the bridge... breaks to pieces under them. And a... well I think Margaret... you were referring to what happens when you meet a certain person. And a... you feel the vibrations and that person... and that's because both of you are in favor... vibrating at that same pitch. And a... I was wondering whether this might have something to do with that business of levitation... (?)(?).

Margaret Storm : 0:30:02 You mean a... that... the person who levitates has to feel that a... a... they have reached a certain vibration so to speak?

Ellery Lanier : 0:30:12 Well this business of sympathetic vibration of... hitting a certain vibration that's similar to a... something which is not of this world... you see.

Margaret Storm : 0:30:22 Well yes... I would say certainly that a... a... desire is the a... a... is necessarily the basis of... of a... levitation because a... if you a... if you wanted to go... for instance a... to a... visit somebody in India... and have a conversation with them... you will have to have a very strong desire... a and know... just exactly where you are going... before you would... set off.

Ellery Lanier : 0:30:48 Well I wondered why... and the a... another existence... quite other than this... business of vibrations... Margaret... and that is about... the relationship between Nikola Tesla and Thomas Alva Edison?

Margaret Storm : 0:31:02 Oh well I a... have said that in a... considerable detail in the Return of the Dove. And a... there is a great difference in the two men... which is not often understood. Tesla was a great discoverer... a great inventor. And a... he applied universal principles. Edison on the other hand... was not a... an inventor at all. He a... was more of a... of a developer... of other persons inventions. In other words a... he himself a... did not understand a... many of these things. But he... did surround himself with a... engineers and a... a... technicians and so forth who could... develop these ideas... carry out these ideas. That was why a... on one occasion... over in a... in Paris. One of the first jobs... that Tesla ever had... was for the Edison Company in a... Paris. And a... then when he came a... to a... America... he worked for Edison... for a time.

Ellery Lanier : 0:32:10 Well I... I was interested in the... personality of these two men. They were both... tremendous geniuses... they were great men. And men who could see... things that normal ordinary mortals... never would dream of. And yet they had different kinds of personalities... they were different types of human beings. And I'm interested in... knowing... and I know your book Return of the Dove. There... there is some description of the relationship between these... personalities of these two men... and I was wondering if...
you could run through that?

Margaret Storm : 0:32:38 Well their personalities... yes their personalities were in conflict... very briefly. And a... a... Tesla... although a... Edison might have a... understood many things beyond the (?)silk(?) of the average man... he a... did not a... understand Tesla and was not able to follow a... Tesla's ideas at all... and he frankly admitted that. When a... that was the great whirl between a... a... Edison who was developing... a... direct current... and a... Tesla who was a... introducing alternating current. And a... Edison did not wish to accept alternating current... because he could not see a... that a... sending electricity geographically free was a... entirely necessary... for the development of a... of a... the United States and... other... nations of the world. 0:33:41 You see with direct current... they had to have a... they would have to have a power station in the direct... in the center... of a... every square mile. In a large city they would have to have many more than that. And this of course is not at all possible... as anyone could see. But a... Edison didn't a... didn't seem to appreciate the fact that a... there would be such tremendous growth... of a... population and all in the United States if alternating current is the only possible option.

Ellery Lanier : 0:34:11 Well... what I am trying to get out is... not so much... technical problems of these man were concerned of... but as human beings... as people. Tesla was a sort of a recluse... feeding peanuts to pigeons in the park. And Edison was... all about new... new gadgets all the time. Do you know anything about how they were... person to person?

Margaret Storm : 0:34:33 Well a... Tesla had... (?) few a... rather brief and a... extremely unfortunate a... experiences with a Edison (?)(?)(?) unfortunate financially. Edison was a... was a business man... and a... Tesla of course is not. And a... Tesla... I believe a... did not a... seem to have very much personal a... interest in a... Edison's a... rather limited... point of view.

Ellery Lanier : 0:35:08 Well... was there any open clash of a... feeling between the two men?

Margaret Storm : 0:35:11 Oh there was quite and open clash of feeling on the subject on the use of a... alternating current for the... by the New York State Prison. And in fact it was such an open clash... that it a... occupied the... newspaper headlines... for many many days.

Ellery Lanier : 0:35:28 What year was that... do you know... about what year?

Margaret Storm : 0:35:31 No I don't... off hand know... it was a... I believe its a... before the... turn of the century... was it not?

Ellery Lanier : 0:35:41 Oh I... I don't think... I... I don't know.

Margaret Storm : 0:35:42 I think so... it was a... anyway it was when a... Tesla first came over here... and one of the first uses that was made of alternating current was to... electrocute a... a... condemned prisoners in New York Prison. And this set off a terrific furor.

Warren Icpac : 0:35:58 Did he feel it should be done by direct current?

Margaret Storm : 0:36:00 laughs...

Eden Gray : 0:36:03 Well... I think Edison did.

Margaret Storm : 0:36:04 Well Edison did.

Ellery Lanier : 0:36:05 yeah

Margaret Storm : 0:36:06 laughs...

Eden Gray : 0:36:07 That's the point...

Warren Icpac : 0:36:08 Is it any quicker with direct current?

Eden Gray : 0:36:10 Pardon me... I am told you can not get up...

Margaret Storm : 0:36:13 That...

Eden Gray : 0:36:13 ... as I understand it...

Margaret Storm : 0:36:14 You can't get enough a...

Eden Gray : 0:36:14 ... and direct current... you can not get enough voltage.

Margaret Storm : 0:36:17 That's right.

Warren Icpac : 0:36:18 Well you can't get up after getting the charge of alternation current either thought.

Margaret Storm : 0:36:22 laughs
Eden Gray : 0:36:22 laughs
Long John Nebel : 0:36:22 laughs
Warren Icpac : 0:36:22 laughs

Eden Gray : 0:36:25 I don't mean the person being electrocuted... I'm being very serious now.

Warren Icpac : 0:36:30 Well I am too.
Long John Nebel : 0:36:30 I am too.
Margaret Storm : 0:36:30 I am too.

Eden Gray : 0:36:31 The direct... current... does not carry a high enough voltage... to be used on an electric chair. Only the alternating current can be. And the alternating current was the only way that all these big machines and dynamos can be used...

Ted Brown : 0:36:49 (?)...

Eden Gray : 0:36:49 ... direct current...

Ted Brown : 0:36:49 ... (?) your uncle when they couldn't... (?) city tax.

Warren Icpac : 0:36:53 You're... you're in favor of capital punishment then... Dr. Gray?

Warren Icpac : 0:37:00 It's not bad enough that we kill these people... we have to do it with direct current... which is slow... and possibly just singe them possibly.

Eden Gray : 0:37:06 I don't think until there was alternating current... that the problem of electrocuting people came up at all.

Warren Icpac : 0:37:11 Well then you're in favor of... hanging people.

Margaret Storm : 0:37:12 some laughter.

Ellery Lanier : 0:37:15 No. Warren do you put those shoes on the workers Warren?

Eden Gray : 0:37:20 I think shooting... too good for him.

Margaret Storm : 0:37:22 laughs
Eden Gray : 0:37:22 laughs
Long John Nebel : 0:37:22 laughs

Eden Gray : 0:37:26 But I think... Ellery a... is... a... mistaken... isn't he... wouldn't you says Mrs. Storm... in that a... calling Tesla a recluse? Didn't you mention before... and I remember reading in your book... that he did a... lead quite a gay and social life. And he was always having people down... and having wonderful time astounding them in his laboratory... and...

Margaret Storm : 0:37:48 Yes... that is correct.

Miss Eden : 0:37:49 ... a... they gave lots of... big parties for them.

Margaret Storm : 0:37:53 That's right... uh hum.

Eden Gray : 0:37:54 He always gave dinner parties... in which... he was so careful to have... wonderful wines of each course... and you know... I mean a real... a... really real... big parties.

Margaret Storm : 0:38:05 He perhaps did not a... a... entertain a... Edison. That what... (?)... giggles.

Ellery Lanier : 0:38:12 No... I... I got the impression that he was... until this part of his life... rather... rather a recluse.

Eden Gray : 0:38:18 I think that was after a... he was disappointed... and had used his money... and didn't get anymore. You see... when he sold alternating... the idea of alternating current... to Westinghouse... he was given... a million dollars... and he was also given... a percentage of a dollar on every... something or other.

Margaret Storm : 0:38:39 Every horsepower.

Eden Gray : 0:38:18 On every horsepower. And later Westinghouse came to him and said... look... you've got the million dollars... and I want to make a merger with some people... and I just can not afford to pay you... the royalty too. And... so Tesla (?)considered(?) a million dollars would take him... a... certainly... far enough towards his other inventions. Accepted that... deal because... Westinghouse said... we'll have to give up the alternating current all together... unless a... you will a... give up your royalties. You see... because the people... that were merging with Weshinghouse (?)(?).

Ellery Lanier : 0:39:15 That part of the story... was very unclear... to me.

Eden Gray : 0:39:18 Well I got most of... that that that... from the other... book.

Margaret Storm : 0:39:22 Well a... if... did you read it in... a... Return of the Dove?

Ellery Lanier : 0:39:25 Yes...

Eden Gray : 0:39:25 Yes... I read it in your book.

Warren Icpac : 0:39:27 Well... I think that a... no special... a... service will be done... by mentioning every bodies names... in the stories. So lets keep it to a generality if we may... (?)(?) Margaret.

Eden Gray : 0:39:41 Well... the only thing I was make... going to say was that... a... as Tesla finally used up his million dollars... was very different... a... plan and experiments and so on... and so forth. Other money... just come in... but because... he didn't go through a... the regular channels of... of patenting these things and... and selling them and all. He didn't have very much money... and towards the end... he did become a recluse. In the sense that he... no longer had the money to go out... and do things and stayed... in his hotel room. But many people came to see him there... you understand.

Margaret Storm : 0:40:23 Well... of course remember that a... when a... a... a... during his later years... you see a... a when he a... didn't have too much money and all that. I didn't think it was really a matter of a... a... not having enough money... I mean... he could have had friends just the same. But a... remember that he was 87 years old... by that time.

Warren Icpac : 0:40:47 Well (?) was a party giving.

Margaret Storm : 0:40:50 laughs.

Warren Icpac : 0:40:51 Wasn't (?) a trio to Menlo Park, New Jersey.

Eden Gray : 0:40:52 Well I don't know... you feel seem to be giving (?)...

Warren Icpac : 0:40:54 What what what... what was that last word... seal?

Eden Gray : 0:40:57 Seem... seem to be giving.

Warren Icpac : 0:40:58 Well... I just wanted to bring up a very interesting point of history... there is only one of his visits... to Menlo Park New Jersey... that the... company was formed through... one of his... phrases. He went in... and he talked (?)... and when he came out... he said... I just found out... that you can't con Edison... and that is where the company was born... at that time.

Margaret Storm : 0:41:15 laughs
Eden Gray : 0:41:15 laughs
Long John Nebel : 0:41:15 laughs

Ellery Lanier : 0:40:20 Warren... did they use a... Warren... did they use... three wheels on the spoke wheel... or do you use three?

somebody : 0:41:26 That's a classic.

Margaret Storm : 0:41:30 That is a classic.

Warren Icpac : 0:41:30 I use two wheels... and I'm lucky I have one wheel.

Eden Gray : 0:40:32 Well... what can we do with one wheel?

Warren Icpac : 0:41:34 Very realized... and something that is rather mystical... and it's done... in the black smith shop... in the middle of the night. These... these anvils out there... (?)(?)(?)(?). There's an abandoned shack up in Yonkers too...

Margaret Storm : 0:41:48 laughs
Eden Gray : 0:41:48 laughs
Long John Nebel : 0:41:48 laughs
unknown : 0:41:48 laughs

Ellery Lanier : 0:41:53 Margaret Storm... yes... speaking of something... pigeons... that you describe in... Return of the Dove. There was one little detail about... a meeting that was held to... commemorate... Nikola Tesla... or rather to celebrate his memory. I believe it was on the hundredth anniversary of his birth?

Margaret Storm : 0:42:14 Yes.

Ellery Lanier : 0:42:15 And well... it's a rather strange detail... that you describe... where... one of the... pigeons... that had been... or possibly had known Nikola Tesla... stood on the window sill... of the meeting hall. But this... where... where did you (?) get... this story?

Margaret Storm : 0:42:31 Well... it a... it originated a... from a... a certain a... persons... out west... who knew about it. And at the time... I wanted to make a... more of a (?)stay(?)... over it... and I... asked them if I might a... you know explain it... and a... perhaps... mention a... the a... city and a... something more about it. But a... they didn't a... want to have their names mentioned... so that was the reason I... limited it... it... to a... that short... description. But it... a... really happened.

Ellery Lanier : 0:43:05 Well... what was it that happened?

Margaret Storm : 0:43:08 Well... of course a... did you read... about the a... earlier in the book... about the... when the dove came to Tesla... on the chapter... Farewell to the Dove?

Ellery Lanier : 0:43:19 Yes.

Margaret Storm : 0:43:19 When the dove came to Tesla... and a... a... stood on the window sill... and great beams of light... came from its eyes. The dazzling light... that a... filled... the entire room. And Tesla said... it was a... brighter than any light he had ever... a... had in his laboratory. And a... this same thing happened then... when the hundredth anniversary was... celebrated.

Ellery Lanier : 0:43:50 You mean... a... but... I don't quite... I didn't quite it...
I don't think... it cause to... how did this actually happen... was a... group of people meeting to a...

Margaret Storm : 0:43:59 Well... this one a... man in particular had a... a... finished doing some work... some publicity work... in connection with the a... anniversary. And a... when he finished at a... late one night... then the a... dove came and stood on the window sill... and these great beams of light came from (?)God(?)its eyes(?)from stars(?).

Ellery Lanier : 0:44:23 Well... this in the man's room... not at the meeting hall?

Margaret Storm : 0:44:26 No... this is in the man's room... in the home... I believe.

Ellery Lanier : 0:44:30 Now... I wanted to ask further than that... Margaret Storm... about... the... the ending of your book... of the... listing of suggestive readings...?

Margaret Storm : 0:44:38 uh huh.

Ellery Lanier : 0:44:39 I was very curious to find... amongst the material you have... references to various occult literatures. But...

Warren Icpac : 0:44:49 Henry George.

Ellery Lanier : 0:44:50 ... also... things like Henry George a... Savane Toff (sp) Morgan.

Margaret Storm : 0:44:55 uh huh.

Ellery Lanier : 0:44:56 Thomas Mann's Magic Mountain... as matter a fact... I... I've... the magic mountain... sort of caught my eye... and tagged me for a moment... then I was wondering why... you included that... in the... suggested readings... for the understanding of... Otis T. Carr's work? I... I assume that there is a connection somewhere?

Margaret Storm : 0:45:16 Well... a... certainly with a... with Tesla's work. And a... with the over all... picture that I have a... drawn there... of a... the a... new age... civilization. In the magic mountain... and a... the other mountain books... particularly... (?)(?) books... the share books... the book about the a...

Warren Icpac : 0:45:42 (?)

Margaret Storm : 0:45:43 ... about the a...

Ellery Lanier : 0:45:44 Almond's book you mean.

Margaret Storm : 0:45:46 ... no... well yes... but a... the written by the Almond Fore (sp)... share book... a... in connection with the scaling of Mount Everest. That's a... was a very very important a... (?) event. I mean... it's very (?) significant.

Eden Gray : 0:46:02 It is... in what way? I... don't understand why?

Margaret Storm : 0:46:05 Well... it was the fulfilment... of a... a... a... of an ancient a... prophesy... and a... it was a... a... commented on in one of the books a... dictated by the Tibetan... the (?)(?).

Eden Gray : 0:46:21 Well... did somebody finally get to climb the mountain?

Margaret Storm : 0:46:24 It says when... when Mount Everest was scaled... a... that it would mean... that humanity had reached the depth... of a... of density... and a... had started on the return journey. And that after the mountain had been scaled... that would be this... the a... a... well it would be... significant of the fact that a... we were... nearing the end of the a... discord and the a... the old age and so forth... and it was a coming out into the... light.

the relationship
between Nikola Tesla and
Thomas Alva Edison?
Tesla was a great discoverer a great inventor. And he applied universal principles.
Tesla I believe did not seem to have very much personal interest in Edison's a rather limited point of view.
listing of suggestive readings...
after the mountain had been scaled that would
be significant we were nearing the end of the discord and coming
out into the light.
Edison on the other hand was not an inventor at all.
He was more of a developer of other
persons inventions.
Edison did not wish to accept alternating current because he could not see that sending electricity geographically free was entirely necessary for the development of the United States and other nations of the world.
New York State Prison
When the dove came to Tesla stood on the window sill great beams of light came from its eyes.
The dazzling light that filled the entire room.
And Tesla said that it was brighter than any light he had ever had in his laboratory.
And this same thing happened then... when the hundredth anniversary was... celebrated.
I was wondering why you included that in the suggested readings for the understanding of Otis T. Carr's work?
Eden Gray
gives
Warren Icpac
static
But we're starting with
the beginning with you because
you tell us you didn't get these things
out of books.
Edison could not follow Tesla ideas
at all.
I remember reading in your book that he did lead quite a gay and social life. And he was always having people down and having wonderful time astounding them in his laboratory and...
one of the pigeons possibly had known
Nikola Tesla stood on the window sill of the meeting hall. But
where did you get this story?
when he finished late one night then the dove came and stood on the window sill and these great beams of light came from (?)
the over all picture that I have drawn there of the new age civilization.

Ellery Lanier : 0:47:04 Margaret... to get back to something we had... just started discussing several hours back. The a... business of the... I like to call them... flying saucers and I know Otis T. Carr calls it the... Circular Foil Spacecraft.

Margaret Storm : 0:47:20 Yes I think... flying saucer.

Ellery Lanier : 0:47:21 I think flying saucer is very quaint... and it reminds me of... little elves running around in a garden and I kind of like that. But there was addition to these flying saucers... the Carrotto Motor and several other devices. Do you know whether any experimental work has been done on that at all... so far?

Margaret Storm : 0:47:42 On the Carrotto Gravity Motor?

Ellery Lanier : 0:47:43 Yes.

Margaret Storm : 0:47:44 Oh... I think it's complete... yes. I think it's ready for a... a... to a...

Ellery Lanier : 0:47:49 There is an actual machine and metal piece of construction... being built do you know of?

Margaret Storm : 0:47:54 Well... I don't... I don't know about the... metal construction. I don't know just what it's constructed of. But a... I believe that all the details have been worked out. And that... a... it a... would be... ready for a... the... Space Research Institute. You see Mr. a... Carr says that these devices will power anything from a hearing aid to a spaceship. And a... therefore they must be adapted... for each a... application. That's the purpose of the Space Research Institute. But I believe that the gravity motor... is a... something which a... can... a... which is ready for a... to have a prototype... made.

Ellery Lanier : 0:48:36 Well... I will ask you something like this... but rather a sad question Margaret Storm. I had asked this question... of many of the people... out at Oklahoma City... and that was. IF... Otis T. Carr's spacecraft does take off and fly to the Moon. And IF... the Carrotto Motor works... (?) if it starts turning over... and keeps producing power. What is then... to really happen then... what would happen? And I predict that... that... you just said... that... they're a very dangerous business. 0:49:17 That was a... this is a frontal wall for terrorist... that's all the people in the... in this (?)file(?)... who were interested in. I mean... it's one enough for you to talk about it... and every bodies is going around and saying... well... we're going to be flying to the Moon soon... and it's going to be nice and comfortable. Sit inside the spacecraft... and you'll... not feel any acceleration... it's like sitting in your living room at home... and you're... flying up to the Moon. 0:49:42 And we're going to have a little... little Carrotto Motor at home... and you don't need to use any gasoline in the... car... and you don't have to... spend any electric current to run the household. This is a... very a... a very... tricky kind of thing to be talking about because... this would mean... that we might have to close down the mines... and shut down the oil wells... and... all our... vast power supply industry would just simply a... be eliminated.

Margaret Storm : 0:50:11 Well... don't you think that would be nice?

Ellery Lanier :

0:50:13 I think it could create chaos for the country.

Margaret Storm : 0:50:17 Well... a... no... you see... we have to... a... face the fact that... we have come to the point... where we must a... provide... this a... push button civilization... so that people will be a... lifted from drudgery... and all that sort of thing. And have... maximum leisure time. As I mentioned before... a... during the past... 19 million years... up until recently... we have been under planetary law. In other words... we have been isolated... and we have had to work under limitations. And a... you know that one of the... limitations a... a which is... was so great... that it has been called a curse. Was that we had to a... earn our bread by the sweat of our brow. Now all that has been... superseded by cosmic law. 0:51:10 In other words... we are now going into an new orbit. We have to a... be neighborly and a... friendly with the people out there on other planets. And take our place in the Solar System... and a... we have to raise our living standards... to the finest... and enjoy on other planets... so that we can associate with our... neighbors. Because of all that... we must... change our a... entire civilization. And we must not have people working in mines... and a... doing all of... of this difficult labor... and a... working a... in a... various agricultural pursuits. I think that's one of the most a... most a... difficult of all a... a... ways of earnings... one's bread.

Eden Gray : 0:52:03 Well... don't you think it keeps the race healthy? To do this good strong... strong labor?

Margaret Storm : 0:52:09 laughs... Do you mean it... do you mean it?

Carr says that these
devices will power
anything from a hearing
aid to a spaceship
Otis T. Carr calls it the... Circular Foil Spacecraft
there was addition to these flying saucers
the Carrotto Motor and
several other devices.
I believe that the gravity motor is ready to have a prototype made.
a very dangerous business.
And we're going to have a little Carrotto Motor at home and you don't need to use any gasoline in the car and you don't have to spend any electric current to run the household. This is a very tricky kind of thing to be talking about because this would mean that we might have to close down the mines and shut down the oil wells and all our vast power supply industry would just simply be eliminated.
a very dangerous business.
don't you think
that would be nice?
I think it could
create chaos
for
the country.
I think
it could create chaos
we have had to work under limitations. And
you know that one of the limitations which was so great that it has been called a curse. Was that
we had to earn our bread by the sweat of our brow.
we have to raise our living standards to the finest and enjoy on other planets so that we can associate with our neighbors. Because of all that we must change our entire civilization.
Warren Icpac : 0:52:11 Do you mind sergeant Gray.

Margaret Storm : 0:52:12 laughs...

Warren Icpac : 0:52:13 When did get behind the flowers Eden Gray?

Eden Gray : 0:52:15 I have done quite a (?). Barring in my time...

Warren Icpac : 0:52:20 Did you ever dug coal?

Eden Gray : 0:52:21 ... the (?) was very healthy occupation. No I have never dug coal. But basic... No I mean... it would be... that you're thinking that... the human body... a... should be... made soft... a

Warren Icpac : 0:52:33 It'd be a meat machine anyhow (?)...

Margaret Storm : 0:52:36 laughs...

Eden Gray : 0:52:37 No I... I... I don't feel that there is anything wrong in... in... in... a neighbor.

Margaret Storm : 0:52:41 Well... I just happen... happen to mention those things but a... it's also very difficult a... being a... a newspaper reporter... laughs...

Warren Icpac : 0:52:49 No... no... very simple work... very sedentary.

Margaret Storm : 0:52:53 Yes... and it's not very healthy... is it? So a... the idea is... we must a... we must put all of that sort of thing behind us. It's very immature... and the... the a... we must obey the cosmic law now... which is... that we should not earn our bread by the sweet of our brow. That we should have machines... to do all of this labor for us... and we there for...

Eden Gray : 0:53:14 Well... somebody is going to have to make the machines... and that's pretty hard work.

Margaret Storm : 0:53:17 Well... that...

Eden Gray : 0:53:18 What about the steel... the steel... men work harder than those guys in the mines don't they?

Margaret Storm : 0:53:23 When a... free... laughs... when free energy a... is a... developed... a... all of those things will be done away with. But of course this a... I think that Mr. Lanier is a... worrying about it being... happening too fast.

Ellery Lanier : 0:53:38 No... what I am really worrying about... is not that at all. I had... I think there's an alternate possibility... and I tell you very frankly... that I personally believe that there is an actual chance that Carr's devices to operate. I mean this is my personal private opinion. I may be totally wrong or I may be totally right... I don't know. But what I know is this... is that the human race... centuries ago has free energy available... and was using free energy... you would far not believe. (?)(?) was available... it had power and energy and it was use to... grind the grain...

Margaret Storm : 0:54:17 Pump water.

Ellery Lanier : 0:54:17 ... and a... yep... to... pump water. And it was perfectly possible for the human race... making use of the...(?) wind mill... and as a matter a fact... in the middle ages... before the... modern... or the industrial revolution started... before steel and metals were known. There was a beginning... of a technology in wood... were civilized men in Europe were learning how to use simple wood and very intricate and wonderful ways. Without the need for steel and iron... as we know them... as we know those metals today. And simply with a civilization built up on a wood technology... and utilizing... this fabulously... fabulous available energy of the wind... which was free. To have... accomplished what Mr. Carr's devise... can accomplish now. And that opportunity was struck down. I (?) in the industrial revolution... offering a similar opportunity... and that was passed by. And today we have an atomic revolution... and again... the thing is being passed by. I can't really see how Mr. Carr's devise... unless it is a machine... that everyone can personally make for himself... without needing any special apparatus. I don't see how it is really... even if it works. I mean... and I am assuming that Mr. Carr's... spacecraft will fly. And I assume that the Corrotto Motor... is going to turn over and produce power. But I don't... I can't see how it... will be different from the events of the past.

Margaret Storm : 0:55:48 Well... it a... will mean a great deal for instance... in a country like India. And India is a... already very much interested in Mr. Carr's devices. When you think of a situation that they have there... a... and how... how they could use power. And a... to lift the a... the whole population of from... it's a... state of drudgery... that they... do not enjoy. You see... all of these things a... will... will come about a... gradually... a... but a... not too gradually... because of the time. And I think that the change over will just come... automatically. So that we will not... a... we will have maximum of leisure time. Now the great danger... a... lies... in not using that leisure time... a... properly. And therefore... a... really the most important thing is a matter of public education. And a... raising the whole consciousness and awareness of the people to a point... where they will be able to appreciate the a... change.

Eden Gray : 0:57:00 Mrs. Storm... you have had several people on the program here... a... that believe that the Earth crust is going to shift and... and a... that we're going to have... floods...

Long John Nebel : 0:57:16 Professor Halfgood made that statement.

Eden Gray : 0:57:19 Yes. And a... that the whole... I mean... practically the whole civilization is going to be... a wreak by this.

Margaret Storm : 0:57:27 Well... it is quite true... that in the past... of course there has been... a... great danger... of this sort... and a... I think as late as a... even as late as 19... a... 55. There seems that there was a... a period where the planet a... might have a... been almost... disintegrated. But a... these a... things have been taken care of... a...

Eden Gray : 0:57:55 Well... isn't the ice forming on the a... polar cap?

Margaret Storm : 0:57:59 Well... the ice is melting at the North Pole... and a...

Eden Gray : 0:58:03 Accumulating at the South Pole... it going to get so heavy at the South Pole... it's going to swing things around.

Margaret Storm : 0:58:08 Well... I believe not... because a... you see this is a... is controlled... in some... manner or... at least it's compensated for in some manner by the fact that we are moving into a new orbit. And a... as I understand it... there is no particular danger from that. The a... the fact that the act was so straightened... in... October of 1958... a... indicates that all of those a... major... dangers... of cataclysm will pass. Otherwise that could not have happen.

Long John Nebel : 0:58:44 I was... (?)(?). When we were... coming back in the plane... we got a.... you know... got into a couple of jackpots... and... we're talking about... Margaret Storm. And this I'm... and I'm being very sincere about this now. All of the... guys on the... plane... going back with us... had a... been introduced to you... out at a... out in Oklahoma City. And... none of them could quite understand... why... you get involved in this... type of stuff?

Margaret Storm : 0:59:20 I'm not involved.

Eden Gray : 0:59:22 Well you are...

Long John Nebel : 0:59:22 (?)... you certainly are.

Margaret Storm : 0:59:26 I'm evolved... laughs...

Long John Nebel : 0:59:27 Well... evolved then.

Warren Icpac : 0:59:29 I think it's a very... very... gracious way to put it.

Margaret Storm : 0:59:33 keeps laughing...

Long John Nebel : 0:59:38 I don't quite understand it Margaret. I really don't. And no one else does... I mean... as far as the... the boys.

Margaret Storm : 0:59:46 Well... is it necessary to understand?

Long John Nebel : 0:59:54 Ah... ... I think they would like... no... it doesn't finish it up at all. I think they would like to... understand.

Margaret Storm : 0:59:59 Well...

Long John Nebel : 1:00:00 (?)... you are interested in telling people about it... aren't you?

Margaret Storm : 1:00:03 Oh... not especially.

Long John Nebel : 1:00:05 No? Why did you write a book?

Margaret Storm : 0:59:59 Well... that's not telling them... it's letting them... giving them something to read. laughs. Now you just say... here read this.
A... no...

Warren Icpac : 1:00:18 This doesn't tell really.

Margaret Storm : 1:00:20 No... I'm not a... well of course... this story first volume... you know. It's a... pretty long.

Warren Icpac : 1:00:27 Well... lets move on to your personal... story?

Margaret Storm : 1:00:29 No...

Long John Nebel : 1:00:30 There are three more volumes coming?

Margaret Storm : 1:00:31 Yes... ah uh.

Eden Gray : 1:00:33 Or is this the first of... there will be two more?

Margaret Storm : 1:00:35 First of four.

Eden Gray : 1:00:36 Oh... first of four... what are the others going to be about?

Margaret Storm : 1:00:39 Well... the second one is called... Flame of the Dove. And I have had so many orders for it already... that it's really becoming embarrassing... because I haven't started it... laughs. But a... I write very quickly and a... so I hope to have great (?) this Winter. And it will... be concerned a... it will be more of the same... as I a... when I wind up this book. I'd say there's... much more be told... but it will... be told in the second volume... the Flame of the Dove.

Long John Nebel : 1:01:10 You know what I'd like... to do be a big favor?

Margaret Storm : 1:01:13 hummm

Long John Nebel : 1:01:13 Do you have a copy... of a book written by a person... a... that was (?) in Oklahoma City?

Margaret Storm : 1:01:20 oh yes

Long John Nebel : 1:01:21 You know I... I think that's... I think the person name... it's not only of great importance... but I think you know... who I am referring to... (?)(?).

Margaret Storm : 1:01:26 Yeah... I have a little work to do on that.

Long John Nebel : 1:01:27 I would like this... sometime if you have... I think you have a section of it... I would like to take a peak at it if I may... prior to the time of (?)(?)... may I?

Margaret Storm : 1:01:36 Yeah sure... uh huh.

Long John Nebel : 1:01:38 Do you have it in the city... or you have it out of town.

Margaret Storm : 1:01:39 Oh no... I have it out of town... I have it at a...

Long John Nebel : 1:01:42 Baltimore?

Margaret Storm : 1:01:42 In Baltimore... yes.

Long John Nebel : 1:01:43 I'd love to... look at it.

Margaret Storm : 1:01:44 Yes it is very interesting because a... my a... screenplay writer... is a... happens to live in Baltimore... and he's a... has it right now...

Long John Nebel : 1:01:53 Oh well then I don't want to...

Margaret Storm : 1:01:54 Thinking of doing a movie performance.

Long John Nebel : 1:01:55 I don't want to do a...

Margaret Storm : 1:01:56 Well... no he's not (?)(?).

Long John Nebel : 1:01:57 Just... plead the fifth.

Margaret Storm : 1:01:58 Yes... I'll... I'll let you see it.

Long John Nebel : 1:02:03 Pardon me Ollie... I'm sorry.

Ellery Lanier : 1:02:04 I'm wondering... if we could a... turn serious for a few moments now.

Long John Nebel : 1:02:08 WOR Radio... your station in New York... 710 on the dial.

Ellery Lanier : 1:02:12 Yes... that's very serious. And a... on page 258 of Margaret Storm's book... Return of the Dove... there is reference to a certain... instrument used... during the... Wesak Festival.

Margaret Storm : 1:02:29 Oh... the Rod of Power.

Ellery Lanier : 1:02:30 Yes... I had attended... a... quite a few of the Wesak Festivals myself...

Margaret Storm : 1:02:36 And you didn't see it used.

Ellery Lanier : 1:02:38 And a... I... I... I... frankly and honestly... I have never come across the a... use of the... Rod of Power... at the Wesak Festival.

Margaret Storm : 1:02:44 Well... it's not used at any of the festivals given... held in New York... I mean (?)(?)(?)... all... small observances. I refer to it a... here... a... in connection with the a... real a... genuine... Wesak Festival which is held each year... in the a...

Ellery Lanier : 1:03:05 Is that in (?)Sao Paulo(?) too.

Margaret Storm : 1:03:07 No... it's a... held in some... a... secluded valley in the... Himalayas. At least it has been. Of course much of that a... many of those things are being transferred now to a... to the a... Andes in a... near Lake Titicaca in Peru.

Ellery Lanier : 1:03:29 Oh yes.

Margaret Storm : 1:03:29 And all of those a... a lot of those a... records and so forth... from a... the Himalayas... are being transferred over there... so I don't know... what they are going to do about the Wesak Festival.

Ellery Lanier : 1:03:39 Well... I'm not...

Margaret Storm : 1:03:40 And also...

Ellery Lanier : 1:03:41 The Wasak is attempting to celebrate here in New York City... (?)(?)

Margaret Storm : 1:03:44 Oh yes... surely it is. But a... also... another thing about the Wasak Festival... you see... that's the always... their alway mark the return of the... of the Buddha... to the a... Earth... or one day he's here... when he comes down... he's returned... he's the lord of the a... world... replacing Sanat Kumara... so that will make a difference.

Ellery Lanier : 1:04:04 Could you say something about this rod? Or... (?). Is this something that you shouldn't be talking about... now.

Margaret Storm : 1:04:11 Oh no... you can talk about anything now. That's part of the new a... the new age. There are... no more mystery a... a... mysterious mysteries... the mystery is too old. Everything is a... now revealed.

Ellery Lanier : 1:04:21 Well... what... what is this rod now?

Margaret Storm : 1:04:24 Well... it actually is a... is a... very beautifully jeweled and a... rod or a... a magnetized... highly magnetized a... metal... piece of metal. And a... that is of course... that part of it... the... I mean it really is on physical plane... (?) balance.

Ellery Lanier : 1:04:49 There is a physical rod?

Margaret Storm : 1:04:51 Yes there's a physical rod. But of course it's a... it's merely a... a representation of that... which exists on the higher plane.

Ellery Lanier : 1:04:57 uh huh.

Margaret Storm : 1:04:58 And a... it a... the important thing... the reason it's mentioned in this book... is because... it's controlled. It is the one factor which controls... a... interplanetary travel. Now... the a... when the cosmic highways are opened for interplanetary travel... a... they must be... a... opened by the Lord of the World... who is the only person who uses the rod of power.

Ellery Lanier : 1:05:27 Margaret are you a... familiar with the a... Dog Jay... Rod that was used in Tibet... a thunderbolt?

Margaret Storm : 1:05:36 Well... no I'm not familiar with this... I mean I have heard...

Ellery Lanier : 1:05:38 (?)(?) questions between that and this... the rod that your are referring to here?

Margaret Storm : 1:05:43 I don't believe so... no. This is completely unique... one and only.

Eden Gray : 1:05:48 Well... Mrs. Storm... when you go... when your Universe is opened up... (?)(?).

Margaret Storm : 1:05:54 When the Solar System.

Eden Gray : 1:05:55 Solar System has opened up. Well a... it was already... (?)(?).

Margaret Storm : 1:06:02 Even so I thought... plus naturally the people on this planet are (?) adapt. But I a... am speaking of travel from the other planets. And a... even travel by the a... the great a... (?)(?)(?)... a matter of a... being in control. Which proves... that you can not (?) that into Space... any more than (?) out into a... into a wilderness. We have to stay on the highway.

Eden Gray : 1:06:30 Well... I understand that... you said that there was a... spase station on the Moon?

Margaret Storm : 1:06:35 Yes... that's what the... space station is presumably on the Moon... or rather... I believe...

Eden Gray : 1:06:40 Is it men?

Margaret Storm : 1:06:40 ... sort of inside.

Eden Gray : 1:06:41 Oh... man drive people from... what planet... do you know?

Margaret Storm : 1:06:45 I understand... that there are people from a... different planets there. (?)(?)old(?) space station.

Eden Gray : 1:06:51 Is this why... you're a... called... not too enthusiastic... about Mr. Carr going to the Moon? That's what I gathered from your book... was I wrong?

Margaret Storm : 1:07:02 Well... a...

Eden Gray : 1:07:02 He felt that he wouldn't be allowed to land... or nobody was allowed to land... or something?

Margaret Storm : 1:07:05 I... I feel that a... a... before (?) allowed to land... but a... it may be... if it could serve any general purpose. As I thought it would answer any military purpose... and serve a simple act of... confusion and things we take from a military (?). But I can't see that a... that it would serve any purpose. And a... I... personally a... don't see why... it would stop for Mr. Carr to land there... then no one else... would be permitted to... go... and a...

Ted Brown : 1:07:43 To the Moon?

Margaret Storm : 1:07:44 To the Moon or any...

Ted Brown : 1:07:45 As I have done.

Margaret Storm : 1:07:46 laughs...

Warren Icpac : 1:07:47 Maybe you can leave him there.

Margaret Storm : 1:07:49 Well...

Ellery Lanier : 1:07:50 Why do you laugh about anything? (?)(?) Is there something funny about that Margaret?

Margaret Storm : 1:07:56 Well... I a... of course have... a... been told that a... Mr. Aho expects to go... but a... I haven't given any serious thought. I mean
I a... I'm just trying to figure out a... whether or not Mr. Carr has a legitimate reason for going. So I'm not going to be too concerned about... whether or not Mr. Aho goes.

Warren Icpac : 1:08:19 As I understood... Mr. Aho was majoring on...

Long John Nebel : 1:08:21 Major was majoring on.

Long John Nebel : 1:08:24 Aho would be the a... navigator and Carr would be the... pilot. I would (?)(?)(?). from the seventh I have a luncheon appointment.

Margaret Storm : 1:08:39 Oh... ah huh.

Long John Nebel : 1:08:24 Which runs till ten.

Warren Icpac : 1:08:34 Major Aho might be the propulsion means... possibly.

Margaret Storm : 1:08:39 Well... a... (doesn't laugh)

Long John Nebel : 1:08:42 He's a very very... very wonderful host. We met the major out there.

Warren Icpac : 1:08:48 I had many wonderful hours with you Don.

Ellery Lanier : 1:08:52 As a matter a fact... I remember Major a... William Aho came into the plane... just as the door was opened... and he walked up to me... and asked me... where is Don? And I didn't know this.

Warren Icpac : 1:09:04 Thirty minutes later you got the word in... is that (?)?

Ellery Lanier : 1:09:05 Well I didn't know Major Aho. I mean... I... I... I might have met him on an astral plane or something like that... but I didn't know (?)(?)(?).

Warren Icpac : 1:09:12 (?)(?) no please doctor (?).

Ellery Lanier : 1:09:14 No (?)(?). I mean... why... why do you ask some bastard questions like that Warren Icpac? But a... in other words... may I ask whether he was one of the cowboys out in Oklahoma? I mean... and he was...

Warren Icpac : 1:09:28 laughs.

Ellery Lanier : 1:09:30 Warren... I'm not suggesting a major windstorm or anything of that sort... I mean... about three or four thirty in the morning... out at the airport... and...

Warren Icpac : 1:09:38 (?)(?)(?)(?) is to. laughs.

Ellery Lanier : 1:09:43 No... there was nothing. But a... I know there's the... as the plan goes today... there are three men... scheduled to go to the Moon...

Warren Icpac : 1:09:54 laughs.

Ellery Lanier : 1:09:54 ... on December 7th. The only objection I have for the entire thing Margaret... as long as I can say... there is no woman going along. And let me tell you... I... I went to a conference of... doctors recently... and they... they were very seriously and concerned... concerned by the fact that there was no plans to send a woman along... in a rocket in Space. And now I find that Otis T. Carr has not... has not made that provision either.

Margaret Storm : 1:10:19 Ah huh... is that bad.

Ellery Lanier : 1:10:21 I think this is really bad.

Margaret Storm : 1:10:24 I mean... maybe...

Eden Gray : 1:10:25 Don't you remember... somebody... science at that time... said typically that women were much better who a... much better able to withstand long a... tedious a... trips... and that they were smaller... and a great many other reasons. It was some very serious man... who was it... it was... Willie Mae wasn't he said... it would be a very... good idea... to have a...

Margaret Storm : 1:10:46 Well... you see... this is not going to be a long tedious trip as I understand it. I a... I have a... heard some very amazing things... which I do not understand... but... a... according to some of the calculations... you sort of arrive there... before you leave here... laughs... something about the plan(?)(?).

Long John Nebel : 1:11:06 Well... actually it says it takes five hours...

Margaret Storm : 1:11:09 But it takes seven days.

Long John Nebel : 1:11:13 To get there. No... I understand that they want to... orbit the Moon... three times.

Ellery Lanier : 1:11:20 (?) lunar orbit... but I really do think there should be a woman along on the first trip.

Margaret Storm : 1:11:23 Well... I think you should speak to Mr. Aho.

Eden Gray : 1:11:27 Mr. Long John... wanted me to go out to Oklahoma City... and I had a previous engagement and I couldn't go. So maybe if I really ask nicely... I might take Long John's place on this trip.

Margaret Storm : 1:11:40 uh huh.

Warren Icpac : 1:11:41 Would you go?

Eden Gray : 1:11:42 No.

Warren Icpac : 1:11:43 You wouldn't?

Ellery Lanier : 1:11:44 All these people turning chicanery remind me of Columbus and his crew... who got frightened when they didn't...

Warren Icpac : 1:11:50 Sail on... and on... and on.

Ellery Lanier : 1:11:52 He had a tough time with his crew.

Warren Icpac : 1:11:54 That's right... it wouldn't happen again... now I mean... like there's...

Ellery Lanier : 1:11:56 I like to even suggest that a possibility of Otis T. Carr and Wayne Aho passing out and letting Margaret Storm pilot this ship.

Margaret Storm : 1:12:05 laughs.

Eden Gray : 1:12:07 (?) Mrs. Storm... we've been asking a question for hours and it has been fascinating... but... there might well be parts of your book... that you would like to... tell the listeners about... that we haven't covered. Is there anything that... you'd like to... say about it.... particularly... that we haven't a... mentioned?

Margaret Storm : 1:12:27 A... no. As a matter a fact... as I told a... Long John tonight... I a... haven't read the book since I... it's been printed. And a... I a... was a little concerned... because I a... sort of forgotten just what was in it. Now there will be this new book a... Flame of the Dove... which will a... take a... take up the subject of a... of children and a... young people... mostly a... coming into embodiment in this new... age... and a... under these new a... a... dispensations and under cosmic law. This a... Flame of the Dove... will I think in many respects... be a much more exciting book than Return of the Dove. Because it will be... more positive and more forward looking. In Return of the Dove... I had to devote a great deal of it to... more or less... the post-mortem in order to cover the a... the a... past.

Eden Gray : 1:13:23 Will be ment in the new book... will you be mentioning... any... speciality... for (?)... in this book... Return of the Dove.

Warren Icpac : 1:13:30 (?)(?)(?) of the dove.

Eden Gray : 1:13:31 In the Return of the Dove... I mean... you've got... Mr. was it... Matthews?

Margaret Storm : 1:13:35 Matthews... yes.

Eden Gray : 1:13:36 And a... Nikola Tesla... and Mr. Otis Carr and a number of other people... in the new one will you... mention any special people perhaps?

Margaret Storm : 1:13:45 Yes I probably a... will mention those three again and a... others. I mean a... the book of Tesla... will a... a... go on... that is... it will be developed.

Eden Gray : 1:13:57 It would see so (?)(?) way.

Margaret Storm : 1:13:59 Yes. Because it is a... it's simply a... so that people... a... will be able to understand a... how... understand the application... of these various a... a... cosmic laws and so forth. It's much easier to understand it... if you are referring to a definite person like Tesla. Or even to Matthews or Carr... (?)whom will that fit(?). It's much easier... I think to understand... rather than just make a... a... (?) statements about what could happen... under (?).

Eden Gray : 1:14:32 I think it is more interesting...

Margaret Storm : 1:14:33 Yes

Eden Gray : 1:14:33 ... too when you have personalities.

Margaret Storm : 1:14:36 A...

Warren Icpac : 1:14:36 What's my future? Is it (?) or space-age? laughs

I tell you very frankly that I personally believe that there is an actual chance that Carr's devices to operate. I mean this is my personal private opinion.
we must obey the cosmic law now which is that we should not earn our bread by the sweet of our brow.
you see this is controlled.
we are moving into a new orbit. in October of 1958 indicates that all of
those major dangers
of cataclysm will pass. Otherwise that could not have happen.
I don't quite understand it Margaret. I really don't. And no one else does...
when free energy
is developed
all of
those things will be
done away with.
you can talk about anything now. That's part of the new age. There
are no more mystery mysterious mysteries
the mystery is too old.
Everything is now revealed.
Yes there's a physical rod. But of course it's merely a representation of that which exists on the
higher plane.
the second one is called Flame of the Dove.
I mean I am assuming that Mr. Carr's spacecraft will fly. And I assume that the Corrotto Motor is going to turn over and produce power. But I don't...
I can't see how it will be different from the events of the past.
And therefore really the most important thing is a matter of public education. And raising the whole consciousness and awareness of the people to a point where they
will be able to appreciate the change.
There seems that there was a period where the planet might have been almost disintegrated. But these things have been taken care of.
Eden Gray
interrupted
Margaret Storm
What was she about to say?
All of the guys on the plane going back with us had been introduced to you out in Oklahoma City. And none of them could quite understand why you get involved in this
type of stuff?
Margaret Storm was a mystery
to those who spent time with her in Oklahoma City on this project.
this story first volume you know. It's pretty long.
There are three more volumes coming?
Margaret Storm has a screenplay writer?
I'd say there's much more be told but it will be told in the second volume the Flame of the Dove.
Oh... the Rod of Power
when the cosmic highways are opened for interplanetary travel they must be opened by the Lord of the World who is the only person who uses the rod of power.
the space station is presumably on the Moon or rather I believe
sort of inside.
the fact that there was no plans to send a woman along in a rocket in Space. And now I find that Otis T. Carr has not has not made that provision either.
there will be this new book Flame of the Dove which will take up the subject of children and young people mostly coming into embodiment in this new age and under these new dispensations and under cosmic law.
the book of Tesla will go on that is it will be developed.
there might be parts of
your book that you
would
like to tell
the listeners about...

Eden Gray : 1:14:40 Aquarian age.

Margaret Storm : 1:14:41 laughs.

Warren Icpac : 1:14:42 (?)molokai system(?)

Margaret Storm : 1:14:43 Well... I tell you... that's a... depends on whether or not he's tries to a... go to the Moon I think. First of all.

Warren Icpac : 1:14:51 (?)(?)(?).

Margaret Storm : 1:14:54 (?) that luncheon date... by December seventeenth.

Warren Icpac : 1:14:59 Good date.

Margaret Storm : 1:15:00 ah uh.

Warren Icpac : 1:15:01 Very unlikely through the president.

Margaret Storm : 1:15:03 laughs.

Eden Gray : 1:15:05 Mrs. Storm... did you say... that you have... a... seen Mr. Matthews... radio set that he can communicate...

Margaret Storm : 1:15:15 Yes... the Interplanetary Communication Set. As I've mentioned...

Eden Gray : 1:15:18 Did you seen it up in Canada?

Margaret Storm : 1:15:20 Oh yes... I was up at his home.

Eden Gray : 1:15:22 Yes... why doesn't he bring that down here so that...

Margaret Storm : 1:15:26 Well that's a... that's a very interesting subject... even at this late hour... I'll cover it very briefly. You know in a... Return of the Dove... it's mentioned earlier this evening... about the cave with the symbols and... (?)lee nar(?) machine...

Eden Gray : 1:15:42 Yes.

Ellery Lanier : 1:15:43 Was that in Wyoming?

Margaret Storm : 1:15:45 A... well... yes... it's out in that direction I guess... I haven't been there.

Eden Gray : 1:15:50 Is it suppose to be in Wyoming?

Margaret Storm : 1:15:52 Now a... (?)lee nar(?) machine is all... set and ready to go... and as I explained in Return of the Dove... a... it a... was developed... as it was completed at the time of the Revolutionary War... right around that period you see... and it's just been sitting there since.

Ellery Lanier : 1:16:10 Is that the American Revolution?

Margaret Storm : 1:16:12 Yes... the American Revolution... because he (?)wrote(?)... Paul... (?) as I explained that... a... he was a French... a... a... lady at that time. And a... when Lafayette came over here a... he a... was asked... (?) (?) of asked him... to bring her over and a... to escort her out there to that a... retreat. And there she finished her work. In order to use the (?)lee nar(?) machine... however. It's one of those things... like a... something like Otis T. Carr's spaceship or Tesla's Anti-War Machine... or anything else... that... is unusual. 1:16:49 You have to educate the public... a... to accept it... and to a... demand it. And you see (?)lee nar(?) machine a... tunes in to this population of the center of the Earth. Well... a... that would be a little bit shocking to a lot of people... to suddenly have a... placed in their living room... a new type of radio... a... where they can tune it into the a... (?) population... or hear the... people at the center of the Earth speaking to them... city broadcast and so forth. 1:17:20 And also... it tunes into the other planets... not only in this Solar System... but a... throughout this galaxy. And it also tunes into the etheric cities. The etheric cities are hardly known to a... a great majority of the people.

Eden Gray : 1:17:35 Etheric cities... there's something I haven't heard of.

Margaret Storm : 1:17:38 Yes... well... that's a...

Warren Icpac : 1:17:39 (?)(?)(?)

Ellery Lanier : 1:17:43 I have had... I have had contact with some of them Eddie.

Margaret Storm : 1:17:46 laughs. Well... at any rate... as I say... the... public must be a... be made aware of all these things and be... willing to accept the new a... the new types of machinery... and such... and that even applies to even to... a... Otis T. Carr's spaceship... and all the many free energy devices. Therefore... in order to educate the public... a... various a... a... plans were carried out... to acquaint them gradually with these things. And that was why 1:18:20 Tesla a... was asked to present to the public... a... the a... radio and the... the television. And a... he made the original... invented the original a... coils... and so forth... that made those a... devices possible. Then... a... recently... in 1947... Mr. Matthews built the... Tesla Interplanetary Communications Set. That was another Tesla... invention a... which a... he was asked to present to the public. He... the public was not ready for it. He passed on in 1943 or rather made his ascension... and a... the public was not a... ready for it at that time... so that was given to Mr. Matthews to develop. 1:19:07 Mr. Matthews a... was asked... by Tesla... and a... also... by a... the space people. Not to... reveal a... the working of that... to the public... at the present time. Because... you see a... it's like a telephone... unless you have somebody on the other end of it... it is rather useless. And a... of course it only... will a... tune in a... to a... spaceships... which are five thousand miles... at least five thousand miles... above the surface of the Earth. Then it would mean... that if everybody had a machine... and they were trying to use it... that a... somebody a... simply... the person would have to (?) and talk to them. Or... (?)(?)

Eden Gray : 1:19:52 Well I don't mean... I don't mean that everybody should have a machine. I was just wondering...

Margaret Storm : 1:19:58 Well...

Eden Gray : 1:19:59 (?)(?) could we see it.

Margaret Storm : 1:20:01 Well there isn't anything to see. I mean... I can tell you that much. It just looks like a... it's just a long box like structure... which a... has all these coils and gadgets inside it. And a... there is nothing more to see... then there is... if you look at... the radio set.

Warren Icpac : 1:20:15 Why doesn't Otis have one of these?

Margaret Storm : 1:20:17 Well there is no use... I mean... what would he do with it?

Warren Icpac : 1:20:20 I don't know. Might be some information possible... I don't know.

Margaret Storm : 1:20:23 No... I mean a... if a... if they wanted... if a... Otis needs special information... that he can not receive... through regular channels a... through the other side or even by Tesla... or any of the others. A friend of Matthews then... a... they should get it through Mr. Matthews.

Warren Icpac : 1:20:40 The thing that intrigued me is... that I was very disappointed in one aspect of your book... and that was... the great... fog of mystery around Otis T. Carr's last thirty years... up until about 1957... it's not listed. There is very little... known that I know of...

Margaret Storm : 1:20:57 Well... what's is the a... ?

Warren Icpac : 1:20:59 Mr. Carr... what's his story?Warren Icpac : (?)(?)(?) For thirty years after he left a... Mr. Tesla... he never found Mr. Tesla (?) ever I believe.

Margaret Storm : 1:21:05 That's right... uh hum.

Warren Icpac : 1:21:06 After the three years...

Margaret Storm : 1:21:07 That was because... Tesla told him... that he was to develop... a... on his own. In other words... a... he was (?)(?)(?) shadowing.

Warren Icpac : 1:21:16 Well... Mr. Tesla been dead for... sixteen years as I recall. And these fourteen years he labored on... and I should think that the... temptation would be to say... this is what I have done. Am I going wrong or...

Margaret Storm : 1:21:29 That would have been the temptation precisely.
That was the reason that he told... that a... he was to work along... on his own. Because
he had to learn to... be guided by the over shadowing. In other words... he had like... figures between the vibrations and... to know... that he was right and he was wrong.

Eden Gray : 1:21:45 Well... what did he do... (?) old merry ways... is it so wrong... being an author?

Margaret Storm : 1:21:50 No... no... he was a... no... he was always a hotel... desk clerk. He was always a desk clerk at a hotel. He... a... as I said... at that time a...

Eden Gray : 1:22:00 Until when?

Margaret Storm : 1:22:01 Until a... I think nineteen... fifty a... six (1956)... or somewhere along in there.

Eden Gray : 1:22:06 Oh... is that so.

Margaret Storm : 1:21:07 Oh yes... Otis has... he was... a... he worked at the... a... hotels in Baltimore and Washington... (?).

Eden Gray : 1:22:13 Here in New York?

Margaret Storm : 1:22:14 (?)

Ellery Lanier : 1:22:14 Someone was telling me Margaret... that Otis T. Carr was experimenting with self... recharging batteries... twenty or more years ago. Do you know anything about that?

Margaret Storm : 1:22:28 No. I don't know anything about the details of his experiments... that's gone on and on... for years. He worked a... in a hotel... he always (?)(?) about that type of work... (?)... it was something he could do... without it taking a... too much a... I guess... too much out of him. In a... in a... creative sort of way. And then he a... would finish his work... (?) I believe in the afternoon... since he prefers to do that. And a... then he he would get up in the morning a... he would a... start right in... with his laboratory work. And he (?) off hours... of his laboratory work in the day... and a... then would go to (?)... and that was his... life.

Ellery Lanier : 1:23:12 I think...

Margaret Storm : 1:23:12 He had a very uneventful life.

Warren Icpac : 1:23:14 Ellery... the amazing thing... the amazing thing was... after three years of instruction... no matter how close... this man was off... and to this day... knows exactly the... workings...

Ellery Lanier : 1:23:23 This is not amazing at all to me... I think is... a...
if you... a... Warren... were familiar with the concept... and the theories of Tesla... you would understand that it would be quite possible... in even less that three years... to transmit the basic concepts and intuitive understanding...

Warren Icpac : 1:23:40 Yes... the basic concepts yes...

Ellery Lanier : 1:23:42 The intuitive understanding of the Utron Motor.

Warren Icpac : 1:23:44 That's a (?) part of it Ollie... you know... there is a great deal more.

Ellery Lanier : 1:23:47 The concept of the Utron Motor is the thing. Well there is a concept of a rotating magnetic field. And this rotating magnetic field... taps the energy of pure Space itself.

Warren Icpac : 1:23:59 Yes... but he only spent one more day... the mercury wouldn't have spilled... though.

Ellery Lanier : 1:24:03 No... that was just a (?)(?).

Margaret Storm : 1:24:04 laughs.

Ellery Lanier : 1:24:04 I mean you... you look... look at the way those....

Warren Icpac : 1:24:08 (?) had zero working (?)...

Ellery Lanier : 1:24:10 (?) at... at... at the way those... (?)

Warren Icpac : 1:24:11 (?) labs... and the Wright Brothers.

Margaret Storm : 1:24:13 laughs.

Ellery Lanier : 1:24:14 Their... their... their seams burst... all over the place there... just one seam burst.

Warren Icpac : 1:24:20 A true craftsman never blames his tools... though Ollie... you know that.

Margaret Storm : 1:24:23 laughs.

Ellery Lanier : 1:24:24 Traditionally... the fine value of the tradition of Nikola Tesla should not be forgotten. And that... I think it has been very heartening to know that... many of Nikola Tesla devices are being used in our schools today... to teach or youngsters... the basic principles of electricity. And especially some of these a... accumulator coils which he devised... a... developing these... very tremendous stuff.

Warren Icpac : 1:24:47 Induction coils you mean.

Ellery Lanier : 1:21:48 Well...

Warren Icpac : 1:24:50 Inductions coils.

Ellery Lanier : 1:21:51 Those... those are another thing... I thought of the Accumulator. I'm thinking of neutron. But a...

Warren Icpac : 1:24:56 (?) from New York state... that was ruled out.

Ellery Lanier : 1:25:01 Tesla... Tesla's basic... I mean... there are many of his devices... are being used in the high schools and the colleges associated...

Warren Icpac : 1:25:07 Yeah... but they... they put them out in elementary schools in forty-nine... you know.

Eden Gray : 1:25:13 In other words... Mr. Tesla and vibrations... music... Well this was... more... physical vibrations. And Ellery was asking me before about a... Mr. Tesla's experiments with vibrations. And how at one time... he a... attached a small vibrating machine... to a central pillar in the loft building that he a... was working in. And the vibrations got higher and higher and higher... and more things came in resonances with. Particularly the... buildings fall back away...(?)(?)... and the windows in them. And the windows started... and the...

Warren Icpac : 1:25:56 Were these...

Eden Gray : 1:25:57 ... plumbing started to go on

Warren Icpac : 1:25:57 (?) were these hammer like... were these hammer like (?) destroying mold... or was it...

Ellery Lanier : 1:26:02 It was more than that.

Warren Icpac : 1:26:02 ... or were these... Cyclades?

someone : 1:26:06 That was very unfortunate.

Ted Brown : 1:26:07 laughs.

Ellery Lanier : 1:26:09 Eden... Eden... please repeat the story... I really want to know the end of it... but I asked you about it earlier.

Ted Brown : 1:26:15 (?)(?)... laughs.

Warren Icpac : 1:26:16 laughs.

Eden Gray : 1:26:18 Well... I am speaking so seriously Warren. A large section of New York City started to practically collapse... isn't that true? Because a... and a... no... people went... had time to go to the police station... (?)(?).

Warren Icpac : 1:26:35 Aw... come on... really?

Eden Gray : 1:26:35 They'll just have to go read it in the book.

Long John Nebel : 1:26:39 laughs... (?)(?)

Warren Icpac : 1:26:39 laughs.

Long John Nebel : 1:26:41 (?)(?)(?)

Warren Icpac : 1:26:43 (?)(?)(?)

Long John Nebel : 1:26:44 (?)(?) fell off the rope.

Warren Icpac : 1:26:46 laughs.

Ellery Lanier : 1:26:50 This is one of the biggest...

Warren Icpac : 1:26:52 Yeah... exaggerating... (?) of all of New York... just Manhattan.

Eden Gray : 1:26:56 I didn't say all of New York... I said... a number of blocks around. Tesla's laboratory... things began to vibrate in... in resonances. This... this little vibrating machine he had on this pole...

Warren Icpac : 1:27:06 That's why Arthur Murry had to leave.

Long John Nebel : 1:27:10 Are you kidding Eden?

Eden Gray : 1:27:11 No... I'm not (?)... I do believe in Mrs. Storm's book... this is Mr. O'Neill's book...

Margaret Storm : 1:27:18 Prodigal Genius... Tesla. He had a little vibrator... on a... on a... (?)

Eden Gray : 1:27:25 (?) the most cities

Margaret Storm : 1:27:26 Yes

Eden Gray : 1:27:27 He really did... (?) lights flashing...

Long John Nebel : 1:27:29 Well... I mean... how large was this vibrator?

Eden Gray : 1:27:32 Well... I don't know.

Warren Icpac : 1:27:33 Twenty-seven tons.

Eden Gray : 1:27:34 No no no.

Margaret Storm : 1:27:34 No no no no.

Eden Gray : 1:27:37 I don't think it more... was more than a... say two... two... two or three feet.

Long John Nebel : 1:27:42 Do you really believe this... Eden?

Eden Gray : 1:27:43 Well... this...

Long John Nebel : 1:27:44 I'm serious.

Eden Gray : 1:27:45 No... this is... this is documented.

Long John Nebel : 1:27:47 What you point is documented.

Ted Brown : 1:27:49 laughs.

Eden Gray : 1:27:50 I'm pointing... I'm pointing to Mr. O'Neill's book and I think you can find it...

Warren Icpac : 1:27:54 I think you can find a copy of the Realist under here at least.

Eden Gray : 1:27:56 You can find it in the police records. Because... people called the police and the fire department... and they figured out... that it must be from... Mr. Tesla's... because so many explosions and weird things have happened from there.

Warren Icpac : 1:28:08 Yeah... I wouldn't (?)

Eden Gray : 1:28:09 And they came rushing up the stairs... and... the interesting thing about it was... Tesla's laboratory in that building... was the last thing to vibrate in resonances... with their (?)... so he did not know... Mr. Tesla did not know... the damage that he was doing in this... large area... of... of the city. And... soon the police and everybody came running down... but this time the machine was just about to get ready... to shake this building down. And...

Warren Icpac : 1:28:38 (?) had enough pigeons.

Eden Gray : 1:28:39 ... he didn't have time...

Ted Brown : 1:28:40 laughs... Got a bag of peanuts.

Margaret Storm : 1:28:44 ha ha laugh.

Eden Gray : 1:28:44 Boys... this is a serious story...

Ted Brown : 1:28:49 laughs.

Eden Gray : 1:28:56 You don't have time to what?

Ted Brown : 1:28:58 laughs.

Eden Gray : 1:29:00 How can I talk? Go in the corner... and laugh.

Ted Brown : 1:29:04 I'm sorry... I'm sorry.

Eden Gray : 1:29:07 I said... you can support doctor brown.

Warren Icpac : 1:29:10 (?)(?)(?) pigeons...

Ted Brown : 1:29:11 laughs.

Eden Gray : 1:29:13 No... this is before... this is before he got into pigeons.

Warren Icpac : 1:29:18 I say we try it out on Otis.

Eden Gray : 1:29:19 (?) no... this machine would vibrate is such a way.

Ted Brown : 1:29:22 laughs.

Eden Gray : 1:29:27 I give up.

Ted Brown : 1:29:30 continues laughing...

Eden Gray : 1:29:30 Buy the book.

Ellery Lanier : 1:29:31 No......

Eden Gray : 1:29:31 Ladies and gentlemen... buy the book.

Ellery Lanier : 1:29:33 I... I... I have to tell what I recall of your story for you Eden. This was... this was a... a little experiment... with a small gadget in a laboratory and... it started to vibrate... and... for miles or... many many blocks around the laboratory... buildings were shaking and...

Warren Icpac : 1:29:49 Can you give us a date on this Ollie?

Ellery Lanier : 1:29:50 Flashing of light in...

Margaret Storm : 1:29:51 Yes.

Ellery Lanier : 1:29:51 ... the sky... there's a date in the book.

Warren Icpac : 1:29:53 May I have the date.

Ellery Lanier : 1:29:54 Eden Gray can look it up for you. And... a... look... no one ever really found out... what the gadget was that Nikola Tesla was using in his laboratory. But it... it was one of these really fantastic things.

Warren Icpac : 1:30:07 How'd it get smashed?

Eden Gray : 1:30:08 Then he... no... but you see... these vibes... the rate of vibration was so... high that he worked up to... that he had to go and smash the machine with an axe... in order to stop it immediately...

Margaret Storm : 1:30:20 Yes... that's right.

Eden Gray : 1:30:20 ... because if he had just... if he had just turned off the electricity... on it... it would have taken a while to run down... and the damage would have been...

Margaret Storm : 1:30:27 Yes... that's true... I remember that...

Eden Gray : 1:30:29 ... and the whole building... would have... would have... just collapsed.

Warren Icpac : 1:30:31 Is this before he met Carr?

Eden Gray : 1:30:32 And they said... you could put... a small... a small type of a vibrator on... the Empire State Building... and within a short time... you could knock the whole building down.

Long John Nebel : 1:30:41 What happened to this invention?

Margaret Storm : 1:30:43 He had to smash it with a...

Long John Nebel : 1:30:45 Well fine... but what... they couldn't they make another one? (?)(?).

Margaret Storm : 1:30:48 Well... he had... he had done so much damage... with the first one... I guess he didn't want to take a chance... on another one.

Warren Icpac : 1:30:53 Did he (?)(?) at San Francisco one day also... Ollie?

Margaret Storm : 1:30:57 laughs.

Warren Icpac : 1:30:57 laughs.

Long John Nebel : 1:31:00 Do you honestly believe this non-sanity?

Eden Gray : 1:31:02 Well... I don't know... I do.

Margaret Storm : 1:31:02 Well... this one I do... yes.

Ellery Lanier : 1:31:04 This is recorded in the police files in New York City.

Long John Nebel : 1:31:07 Oh... get off.

Eden Gray : 1:31:08 Margaret Storm didn't write it... in Return of the Dove.

Long John Nebel : 1:31:11 Margaret... if it... if it... if it... were in your book... I would know... that it is documented.

Warren Icpac : 1:31:18 That's right.

Long John Nebel : 1:31:19 You know your resource.

Ellery Lanier : 1:31:20 Do you know... do you know who John O'Neill is?

Warren Icpac : 1:31:23 Do I know John O'Neill was?.

Long John Nebel : 1:31:23 (?)

Warren Icpac : 1:31:26 All I know is... this great book... there're no mention of the name... in the whole back of it... in the index... is... Otis T. Carr... who is the number one disciple.

Margaret Storm : 1:31:34 No... Matthews is.

Warren Icpac : 1:31:35 Matthews is listed there?

Margaret Storm : 1:31:36 And he isn't listed either.

Long John Nebel : 1:31:38 So there you are. Matthews... Carr... Warren Icpac... and Ted Brown... are not listed.

Ellery Lanier : 1:31:45 You forget Warren that... that Otis T... I mean... Nikola Tesla... had to go... not into the lobby of the hotel... but... down in... in the subterranean basement... in long corridors and circular paths and (?) mazes... to find... Otis T. Carr.

Warren Icpac : 1:31:57 I... I still think... I still think four pounds... of un... unsalted peanuts... meant actually... he wanted four dollars on number... seven in the third race... at Jamaica... that day possibly. Not the cold term because the police are cracking down.

Ellery Lanier : 1:32:11 I mean... you can... you can jive at the whole thing... but this is a very profoundly serious thing.

Long John Nebel : 1:32:15 You buy this too? About this vibrator?

Ted Brown : 1:32:18 No... no... (?)(?).

Ellery Lanier : 1:32:19 Oh the vibrator story. I don't... I don't buy it... not by...
I know... it's in the Richter set.
This was an event that shook New York City.

Long John Nebel : 1:32:24 And... and... how many blocks did it effect in New York?

Ellery Lanier : 1:32:28 I don't remember the exact area.

Long John Nebel : 1:32:29 About ten blocks?

Margaret Storm : 1:32:30 Yes... yes.

Ellery Lanier : 1:32:32 I don't know... if that's true... I mean... its... its... something...

Long John Nebel : 1:32:34 What year?

Eden Gray : 1:32:36 (?)(?) I wouldn't find out in time.

Ellery Lanier : 1:32:37 ... I think it's... before... Eli Winters...

Warren Icpac : 1:32:37 (?)(?)

Ellery Lanier : 1:32:40 Before World War I. Prior to World War I.

Warren Icpac : 1:32:43 Why... he met... he met Carr before World War I.

Margaret Storm : 1:32:46 And think of the a... think of the a... a... damage that was caused out in a... Colorado... when he a... decided to... create a... thunder and lightning. laughs.

Eden Gray : 1:32:56 Oh yeah.

Ted Brown : 1:32:58 Who?

Margaret Storm : 1:32:59 Tesla.

Warren Icpac : 1:32:59 Yeah... he created lightning (?)(?).

Ellery Lanier : 1:33:01 He created greatest power... greater a... voltages and as being creates now in the laboratory... for knocking the atoms around.

Long John Nebel : 1:33:08 I have a telegram here... a... (?) music (?) May accept invitation to become third man to the Moon... Sandy Chapman. Ah... it's a little late... because we receive... wasn't that... doctor Brown... said he was out?

Warren Icpac : 1:33:27 I... but I don't believe... that Mr. Carr's invited... friends. I... I would go on record myself and saying invitation...

(?)lee nar(?) machine is
all set and ready to go
You have to educate
the public to accept it
and to demand it.
a new type of radio where they can tune it into the (?) population or hear the people at the center of the Earth speaking to them.
The concept of the Utron Motor is the thing. The concept of a rotating magnetic field. And this rotating magnetic field tapes the energy of pure Space itself.
A large section of
New York City
started to
practically collapse
people had time to go
to the police station
the Interplanetary Communication Set.
the public must be made aware of all these things and be willing to accept the new types of machinery that applies to Otis T. Carr's spaceship and all the many free energy devices.
if Otis needs special information that he can not receive through regular channels through the other side or even by Tesla or any of the others.
blocks around Tesla's laboratory things began to vibrate in resonance
if you were familiar with the theories of Tesla you would understand that it would be quite possible in even less that three years to transmit the basic concepts and intuitive understanding...
I was up at his home.
I was up
at his home
the cave with the symbols and (?)lee nar(?) machine.
And that was why Tesla was asked to present to the public radio and television. He invented the original coils that made those devices possible.
Then recently in 1947
Mr. Matthews built the Tesla Interplanetary Communications Set
the public
was not ready for it...
Mr. Matthews was asked by Tesla and also by the space people. Not to reveal the working of
that to the public at
the present time.
the public must be
made aware
of all these
things
Tesla
was asked
to present to the public radio and television.
Tesla told him
that he was to develop
on his own.
That was the reason that he told that he was to work along on his own. Because he had to learn to be guided by the over shadowing. In other words he had like figures between the vibrations and to know that he was right and he was wrong.
he had to learn to be guided by the over shadowing.
he was always
a hotel desk clerk
spent one more day the mercury wouldn't have spilled though.
the
mercury spilled
their seams burst all over the place there just one seam burst.
seams burst
mercury spilled
onto Otis landing
him in the hospital
he attached a small vibrating machine to a central pillar in the loft building that he a was working in.
Well I mean how large was this vibrator?
You can find it in the police records. Because people called the police
and the fire department and they figured out that
it must be from Mr. Tesla's because so many explosions and weird things have happened from there.
Mr. Tesla did not know the damage that he was doing in this large area of the city. And soon the police and everybody came running down but this
time the machine was
just about to get ready to shake this building down.
shake this building down
started to vibrate for many blocks around buildings were shaking...
no one ever really found out what the gadget was that Nikola Tesla was using in his laboratory. But it was one of these really fantastic things.
you could put a small type of a vibrator on the Empire State Building and within a short time you could knock the whole building down.
he had to go and smash the machine with an axe in order to stop it immediately.
And he isn't listed either.
Matthews is listed there?
I mean you can jive at the whole thing but this is a very profoundly serious thing.
This was
an event that shook
New York City.
All I know is...
this great book there isn't one mention of the name in the whole back of it in the index is Otis T. Carr who is the number one disciple.
had to go and smash the machine with an axe
This is
recorded in the police files in New York City.
Margaret Storm : 1:31:36
And he isn't listed either.
This is a big deal
Why two major books on Nikola Tesla didn't mention his devices live on in these two men... Otis T. Carr Arthur H. Matthews
No... Matthews is.
Margaret Storm : 1:31:34
Mathhews is.
the number one disciple of Nikola Tesla.
And think of the damage that was caused out in Colorado when he a decided to create thunder and lightning.
laughs.
Who?
Tesla.

Eden Gray : 1:33:32 I have found the place in the book... but I don't find the date (?). It says... Tesla's laboratory was on the upper floor of a loft building. It was on the North side of Houston Street, and the second house East of Mulberry Street. About three hundred feet south of the house... of the house... and a... there is a police a... headquarters right there. And then it said... in this highly variegated neighborhood that Tesla unexpectedly staged a spectacular demonstration of his properties of sustained powerful vibrations. And it said... Could they reach... Tesla's Laboratory in time to stop him? Or would the building come tumble down... on their heads and everyone in it... be buried in the ruins, and probably every building in the neighborhood. Maybe he was making the whole Earth shake in this way! Just as the cops rushed into Tesla's laboratory to tackle... they knew not what... the vibrations stopped... and they beheld a strange sight. They arrived just in time to see... the tall gaunt figure of the inventor... swing a heavy sledge hammer and shatter a small iron contraption... mounted on the post in the middle of the room.

Long John Nebel : 1:34:44 Well... a... yes... a great job.

Eden Gray : 1:34:47 A... no... I hadn't found the date.

Long John Nebel : 1:34:50 laughs... Very good. Neighbors.. I think I'm going to wrap it up for another morning. During the last half hour or forty five minutes... we a... had a little fun with... our friend... Eden Gray here.

Eden Gray : 1:35:10 laughs.

Long John Nebel : 1:35:11 I would like to... (?)(?)... I want to be serious a moment. I certainly want to recommend...

Margaret Storm : 1:35:15 It's too late now... I don't want to be serious anymore.

Long John Nebel : 1:35:17 Well... I want to. I want to recommend... Margaret Storm's book... Return of the Dove. It's a very serious book... about a subject that certainly should be of interest... to all of our listeners.

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last half ends : 1:35:28

I have found
the place in the book.
And then it said
in this highly variegated neighborhood that
Tesla unexpectedly staged a spectacular demonstration of his properties of sustained powerful vibrations.
I want to recommend... Margaret Storm's book... Return of the Dove.
Prodigal Genius
by:
John J. O'Neill
pages 159-161
skimmed through
While music played over Eden's voice...
I copied what was in O'Neill's book.
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Transcribed by : Curtis Cooperman
Venus Tesla Connection introduction ~ home page
.Otis T. Carr~~~~~~knew Tesla
.Margaret Storm~~.~knew Tesla
.....Listen May 1959 last half
.Arthur H. Matthews~.knew Tesla
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the cave with the symbols and the (?)lee nar(?)