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Long John Nebel Show
Otis T. Carr

interview ~ 15 November 1958 ~ middle third

Otis T. Carr : 0:52:19 ... in this statement... said that electricity... would probably be the power. And... this is the power that we have claimed from the beginning... and which we know to be correct. It was a... The Great Nikola Tesla who brought this into our consciousness... when we knew him... for three years... from 1925 to 1928. Mr. Tesla told us... he said... it will be impossible for man... to... travel in Space... unless he has a universal source of power with him... that he can carry with him... and he can bring back with him. And this lead us into... the exploration which is now a success.
Nikola Tesla taught Otis T. Carr... how to capture energy for free.
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Long John Nebel : 0:00:23 Mr Carr... You've a... just told us that a... if you had sufficient man power... and cooperation. Are you using the word... cooperation... in a... such a way that it could be synonymous with money? In other words... if you had money... would you rather... ?

Otis T. Carr : 0:00:47 It is a medium of exchange. And a... I don't know of any other.

Long John Nebel : 0:00:53 I mean... is that what you're lacking... cooperation or money?

Otis T. Carr : 0:00:56 We're not lacking cooperation.

Long John Nebel : 0:00:59 Then you're lacking money?

Otis T. Carr : 0:01:00 And we're not lacking too much money. We're lacking... a... the ability to get an organization together... a... as fast as we'd like to. This is being accelerated.

Ellery Lanier : 0:01:11 Mr. Carr... will you accept me as a volunteer.

Long John Nebel : 0:01:15 A volunteer what?

Ellery Lanier : 0:01:17 Patent or anything...

Long John Nebel : 0:01:18 Oh... oh... I thought you wanted to buy something.

Otis T. Carr : 0:01:20 Well a... thank you... Lanier... I will certainly consider it.

Long John Nebel : 0:01:26 We'll give you his home phone number before you leave me... and you can contact him... (?)(?) I don't know his qualifications.

Ellery Lanier : 0:01:33 It was an exchange.

Norman Colton : 0:01:35 Incidentally John... I think I have a little piece of news for you... speaking of volunteers. And you're often speaking of the... twenty seven states... in which your program is heard. We had a conversation... back home... with a man in Oklahoma City... who says he hears your program frequently out there.

Long John Nebel : 0:01:53 Well...

someone : 0:01:54 Did I mention... (?)(?)

Long John Nebel : 0:01:56 No... I've a... when I went out to Calfornia... I met a... oh... three or four people out there. Fact a... they claim... that they heard the a... the program in California... the New York program. But this is very very unusual. I don't know... the atmospheric conditions... the day is great or something... and they heard it... I'm not... kidding you.

Otis T. Carr : 0:02:16 May I add... Long John... the driving through Arizona... it came in beautifully.

Long John Nebel : 0:00:00 Really?

Otis T. Carr : 0:02:21 Arizona

Long John Nebel : 0:02:21 Good guest.

Otis T. Carr : 0:02:23 In fact... the only place in the West... I did pick you up... but I got to Arizona... just as clear as a...

Long John Nebel : 0:02:27 At the local station? As clear as the local station?

Otis T. Carr : 0:02:29 As clear as a local station... on my car while I was driving.

Long John Nebel : 0:02:32 This is WOR Radio... your station in New York... Long John with... The Party Line. Here is a telegram from Baltimore Maryland. Good morning to yourself and (?)... tell Mr. Carr and Mr. Colton... many Baltimore friends listening. Program coming in loud and clear. William J. Kennedy. Here is one more. This is to... Otis T. Carr... Baltimore... from Baltimore Maryland. Congratulation on your marvelous presentation... of our dedicated (?)... wish I was near to cheer you on. It is magnificent. I am listening intently. Bud Goslow. Maybe we have some other telegrams... we've had to catch up with those... in just a moment. 0:03:13 Ben... a... Ben was delayed... a... getting to the... studios this morning. He... a... left a message for me about a... eleven o'clock in the studios... I... came in by bus from Jersey tonight instead of driving in... so I was a little delayed myself. Ben you had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Colton and Mr. Carr before. I noticed you were looking at... a... I don't know... what do you call them... plans... the ones you have here.

Norman Colton : 0:03:40 The model kit plans.

Long John Nebel : 0:03:42 The model kit plan. You were looking at those. You... express some amazement... a... about the presentation. You want to tell me about that?

Ben Isquith : 0:03:53 Well... I think the presentation is... a... is very beautiful... and a... extremely elaborate. It's a... I mean... it's quite a fine piece of work. I mean... what more can I say?

Long John Nebel : 0:04:10 Well... I mean... I don't want you to a... you know... say something that you don't want. I... I know that you're looking for an (?) opinion... that's all.

Ben Isquith : 0:04:15 What... I... I... I... I was wondering if... is this kit to build a model... Circular Foil Craft?

Norman Colton : 0:04:23 Yes... I'm glad to hear you a... express those opinions about... because the people who are waiting have not yet received them... because of the printing delays... we'll know when we can get them... they will be something very special.

Ben Isquith : 0:04:35 Well will this model... will... will this also fly?

Norman Colton : 0:04:41 We had some discussion about that.... before you arrived. This model as you see it expressed on these plans... can be made to fly... when it's properly energized.

Long John Nebel : 0:04:56 You got to move over here Ben... I'm sorry we had... a little difficult... a... difficulity with that microphone. No... accidently it was too close a... to a magnetic field over there.

Ellery Lanier : 0:05:07 Ben always has trouble with magnetic fields.

Long John Nebel : 0:05:10 He came out for a little bit.

Ellery Lanier : 0:05:10 For the other ones.

Long John Nebel : 0:05:12 Mr. Keen... would you care to sign out... just say something nice to Mr. Keen. Say... good morning... Jack Keen.

Ben Isquith : 0:05:17 Testing... one... two... three... four.

Long John Nebel : 0:05:20 Is that all right... Dr. Keen?

Jack Keen : 0:05:22 I didn't say that the mics were on this morning.

Long John Nebel : 0:05:25 Well... what seems to be wrong Jack? Evidently a... I mixed them up when I... moved the... chairs around.

Jack Keen : 0:05:32 (?)(?)

Long John Nebel : 0:05:32 No... absolutely not.

Ellery Lanier : 0:05:35 I... I suspect it has something to do with Ben's concern of other magnetic fields.

Long John Nebel : 0:05:40 Well... I... I don't think that Ben can comment on that for a moment... we're... a... having a... slight technical... difficulties at the moment. And a... it is quite possible... when moved the table... we lifted the entire table... a... to move it into a position where we would get more light... on the... literature that the gentleman were kind enough to bring with them this morning. And evidently in doing that... we may have a... disconnected one of the... cables. And a... you want to try it again now Jack? Could you say something again.

Ben Isquith : 0:06:13 Good morning Mr. Keen.

Long John Nebel : 0:06:15 Beautiful... ah... did you record that? But with the (?). A hundred and fifty thousand copies of that. Isn't that... isn't that a wonderful way to get up in the morning.

Jack Keen : 0:06:24 And now because WOR is there.

Long John Nebel : 0:06:27 You may ask a question now Ben.

Ben Isquith : 0:06:30 Well... the question I asked was... if a person gets his model kit... and he build the model... will it also... will it fly?

Norman Colton : 0:06:38 Well... if it tested the mic in front of me... see if it's... a... working properly. And to avoid any miss impression among the listeners... that... everyone who get... a kit of model plans... will be able to make a flying model... the answer is... no. The basic model to be built from these plans... is much the same as... any other hobby model kit... of conventional craft... and a... a... locomotives... or other things that boys build out of balsa wood. But... what this set of model plans will do beyond that... is a... demonstrate physically... all of the new principles of Mr. Carr's... a... spacecraft design... and the... electrogravitational power package that will energize the... actual full scale craft that (?) power to the Moon... next December seventh.

Ellery Lanier : 0:07:40 Mr. Colton... I wonder if you could take the top off the flying saucer... so that Ben could see the inside of the...

Long John Nebel : 0:07:46 Truly Ben...

Ben Isquith : 0:07:47 Who brought the kit for us to build?

Long John Nebel : 0:07:49 Yes... with a kit... you can build it.

Otis T. Carr : 0:07:51 Lets go with the activated first... before you take it off... let Mr... yes... just give...

Norman Colton : 0:07:53 First... I'll revolve the whole section.

Long John Nebel : 0:07:57 I wonder... a... it's going to be... rather convenient... but can you keep on mic with that... move it over there... thank you very much.

Norman Colton : 0:08:02 We'll... revolve the whole section first... and you'll notice that... as the entire hull revolves... it's a twenty five inch diameter... a... circular hull. The landing gear... the tripod landing gear... which is a table... and the crew compartment... both are motionless. This is... the first time... I believe we've shown you people here... a demonstration of the fact that the... a... crew compartment... the hull section... and the... internal clock wise rotating disk... all mounted on a single shaft... enable the landing gear and the crew compartment... to remain motionless... (?). This hull... removes from the central shaft... as one assembly... and you can see how the... internal... a... struts or... rib truss construction... supports the external skin.

Ben Isquith : 0:09:15 Could you... can you... just show that to me again a moment.

Long John Nebel : 0:09:18 Would you describe that again please.

Norman Colton : 0:09:20 Well... this is a... section... which... in a plane view... is a twenty five inch diameter circle.

Long John Nebel : 0:09:28 uh huh.

Norman Colton : 0:09:29 Externally you see a smooth skin... which on the actual flying craft will be of... a... sheet aluminum or duraluminum.

Ben Isquith : 0:09:39 I'd like to see the back... the back half... yes...

Norman Colton : 0:09:40 This is a... supported structurally... by forty-eight ribs... or truss members... a... which are reinforced by... circular ribs.

Long John Nebel : 0:09:52 uh huh.

Norman Colton : 0:09:54 This is very similar to... a... the type of truss which supports a roof. I'm looking at this in one way... and a half section might say that... it's... a roof... over an inverted roof... forms the two sections of the outer hull. It's very beautifully made.

Ben Isquith : 0:10:16 That it is.

Long John Nebel : 0:10:17 You want to... hold that a moment... a... Dave Field for a... Mr Colton... thank you very much. Now will you describe the... interior of the... OTC Circular Foil Craft.

Norman Colton : 0:10:29 Well we've removed the... upper portion of the hull... and we've explosed the... central core... which is the Utron Electrical Accumulator. Which in turn... supports... a complex of... capacitor plates... that's these... a... plates here... which are painted aluminum. And which will actually be... a heavy aluminum plate. This is the... electra... Utron Electrical Accumulator.

Long John Nebel : 0:11:06 Will this operate without fuel? Does it create its own fuel... is this what we call... free energy?

Norman Colton : 0:11:12 Well... what you would call fuel... is contained in the central power package... which is the Utron Accumulator. And this is... an electrochemical storage battery.

Long John Nebel : 0:11:24 It is... a battery as we know it sir?

Norman Colton : 0:11:27 It is essentially analogous to the batteries as you know them. Composed of... lead and zinc... and a weak solution of acid. An electrochemical accumulator. And it provides the a... inertial excitation... which starts the central disk turning... in the magnetic field.

Long John Nebel : 0:11:50 How many volts... would this battery have Mr. Colton? The one that you described?

Norman Colton : 0:11:54 Might have any... imaginable number of volts... from one and a half... up to... to one and a half million. The... a... voltage required for the forty-five foot craft... that Mr. Carr will take to the Moon... I understand will be about twelve thousand volts.

Long John Nebel : 0:12:11 That will be... an adequate amount?

Norman Colton : 0:12:15 Yes.

Otis T. Carr : 0:12:15 May I say... Long John... that this a... battery... this accumulator... this Utron Electric Accumulator... will weigh approximately four tons. And we think it will be the world's largest... power package of electricity... made to date. That is... storied electrochemically.

Long John Nebel : 0:12:33 Is there any possibility... and I am not trying to be vacuous... Mr. a... Carr. Is there any possibility that that battery... could a... go dead... a... during the... the trip?

Otis T. Carr : 0:12:46 There is this possibility.

Long John Nebel : 0:12:47 I mean... we do know that batteries... a... gone dead in cars.

Otis T. Carr : 0:12:51 It would be like a... a hole in the ship... we'd be in trouble. We'd be captive in Space... in orbit... and... until they built another craft and come up and got us... we'd be in trouble.

Long John Nebel : 0:13:01 Well... let us... let us say this... happened... and I sincerely hope that it doesn't. If you are in orbit... and you're captive in Space... and they build another one... and lets say it takes... three months to build... a new one. What would happen... when the new one meets you... in Space... and you're in orbit. How do you get together?

Otis T. Carr : 0:13:24 Well... they would have to bring along those facilities.

Long John Nebel : 0:13:26 Can you describe those facilities please?

Otis T. Carr : 0:13:29 Well... they would be very similar... to the transfer from a submarine... to the surface.

Long John Nebel : 0:13:33 I'm not familar with that... could you describe that to me... please?

Otis T. Carr : 0:13:36 This in the diving bell and other facilities are wherein... a sealed... valley of pressure... is elevated... from one area to another. And this would have to be done... in Space. Now... incidently...

Long John Nebel : 0:13:53 What would happen. Pardon me Mr. Carr. What would happen... to the original craft? We now assume... that the battery is dead. Do we jump this? Does it burn up? What happened to it?

Otis T. Carr : 0:14:07 I imagine it would may stay up there... until man went up and dismantled it. Which wouldn't be too much... difficulty. Incidently... in Space John... we could build... a craft like this... several thousand feet in diameter... by sailing up the materials... and letting them float around until we used them. We could use a... this a... a... forty-five foot craft... and haul up a few a... pieces of material at a time... and build you the most elaborate ship you'd ever want to see... out in Space... no trouble at all.

Long John Nebel : 0:14:42 Could you... a... build a new battery in Space?

Otis T. Carr : 0:14:46 Yes... it could be done. It could be done.

Long John Nebel : 0:14:49 You don't seem the least bit concerned about the possibility about a battery... a... going dead on you?

Otis T. Carr : 0:14:54 No we don't. I just can't conceive... of us not checking out... and making certain... these principles will be sound... for this very quick voyage... seven days.

Long John Nebel : 0:15:06 I have read in the newspapers in recent months... that they've had a... a... difficulties at Cape Canaveral. And a... they've spent considerable amount of time... building the rockets... and a... this happens... that happens... something goes wrong... and a... certainly they didn't foresee these things. I was just wondering... a... do you honestly think... that it's quite as simple as you a... expressed this morning... we will check it out?

Norman Colton : 0:15:32 This is a... this is a good time to point out... and you can see it physically demonstrated... and can... be explained for your listeners. That while... some of these... very elaborate and magnificent rockets... are comprised of... more than... three hundred thousand componet parts. This model craft that you see here... has only two... moving parts.

Long John Nebel : 0:15:58 Only two?

Norman Colton : 0:16:00 External hull...

Long John Nebel : 0:16:01 Yes.

Norman Colton : 0:16:01 Which is... the two joined upper and lower disks.

Long John Nebel : 0:16:06 uh huh.

Norman Colton : 0:16:06 Disk shaped... a... disks.

Long John Nebel : 0:16:08 uh huh.

Norman Colton : 0:16:09 And the... central disk... which rotates clockwise...
as the hull section rotates counter clockwise...
are the only two moving parts of the craft.

Long John Nebel : 0:16:20 I have a question here from Paul Ballard... associated editor of... Argosy Magazine. Some military experts consider Moon... hightly strategic. Has our government taken security measures on Carr's invention... if not... why not?

Norman Colton : 0:16:40 This question would have to be answered by the government.

Ellery Lanier : 0:16:42 We went into that a little earlier... as a matter of fact... John... Mr. Carr did say something about that.

Long John Nebel : 0:16:46 You mean about going straight up?

Ellery Lanier : 0:16:49 No... no... no... it was about the Russians. And Mr. Carr said that... he thought there was a possibility... that the Russians had already built... a machine similar to his... a flying saucer... and that they... could possibly...

Long John Nebel : 0:16:59 That they may be on the Moon...

Ellery Lanier : 0:17:00 They may... the Russians may actually be on the Moon at this time.

Long John Nebel : 0:17:02 And that they... not bragging about it.

Ellery Lanier : 0:17:04 Well... Mr. Carr... Mr. Carr... does not say... that this was true... he says... it's possible.

Long John Nebel : 0:17:09 uh huh.

Norman Colton : 0:17:11 There is so much conjecture contained in a statement like that. In the first place... a... we don't know that it... it is actually strategic. It takes as much effort to get from the Moon to the Earth... as it does to get from the Earth to the Moon. And so until some... so called enemy... gets to the Moon... he obviously can't get from... the Moon to the Earth.

Long John Nebel : 0:17:29 I was just wondering... In the... January addition of Argosy Magazine I don't know... I think it's January... possibly February... that a... Jules B. St. Germain the attorney from Linberk Long Island... a... will have a story... in either... the January or February edition. And it's in reference to the spacecraft convention that was held in Lebanon New Jersey. Now maybe... a... Jules will... a... have some opinions about... a... the craft... because a... a... I think he met you gentleman... at the... convention out there. And of course... a... I've been told by a... Bailey... Herb Bailey that a... there will be an article in Argosy Magazine about... The Party Line... and about a number of the people that have appeared during the past year. In the March or April edition of Argosy... and possibly Paul Ballot associate editor of Argosy Magazine will have some ideas about that... and I sincerely hope... that they incorporate in the article... a... at least one photograph of the... model.... as we see it this morning. That's why... Sam Vandivert... got out of bed... to get over here... when he's listening to the program. And he called me... and he said... John... he said... I better hustle over to get pictures of this... because this will be a great shot for... Argosy... and I hope that a... all a... works out. Ben...

Norman Colton : 0:18:57 They will certainly... excuse me... be historic pictures... a... John... because to get back to a... Argosy... we'd like to assure Argosy and every other periodical publication in this country and the world... that the O.T.C. Enterprises devices... the OTC X-1 craft... that purely a transportation device... for... peaceful travel and exploration of this planet and other planets in the Solar System and the Universe.

Ben Isquith : 0:19:26 It could very easily be adapted to be a military vehicle sir.

Norman Colton : 0:19:28 If it were... it would have to be by someone else.

Ben Isquith : 0:19:31 What... na... I assume by someone else... but it could very easily be adapted.

Ellery Lanier : 0:19:35 Are you refusing to give it to the government for military pruposes?

Norman Colton : 0:19:38 Well... we would hardly be in such a position. As we have stated in our published literature... we have fervently hoped that no O.T.C. device will ever be used for a destructive purpose.

Ellery Lanier : 0:19:50 Well... what about national defense?

Norman Colton : 0:19:53 Well... you hardly need defence when there is offense. And if we all get busy... traveling and exploring... and looking for nice people... and other places... around the Universe... there won't be and offense at all.

Long John Nebel : 0:20:06 Why do you assume that people are going to be nice... if there are people on the Moon or Mars? Why do these people necessarily have to be nice... why can't they be miserable... like... evidently you think the Earth people are... I don't... incidentally.

Norman Colton : 0:20:22 Well in the five million years of a... live on this planet there is no record... that it has ever been attacked... by people from any other planet.

Long John Nebel : 0:20:31 Well... maybe they didn't have Otis T. Carr's on the other plaent.

Norman Colton : 0:20:34 chuckles...

Ben Isquith : 0:20:36 Five million years of... of humanoids on this planet?

Norman Colton : 0:20:38 Of life I think.

Ben Isquith : 0:20:40 Oh.

Otis T. Carr : 0:20:41 Ezekiel saw a spacecraft three thousand years ago. So they have...

Ellery Lanier : 0:20:48 Mahabharata record spacecraft too. And (?)(?) recognized in (?) authority.

Otis T. Carr : 0:20:55 We don't know who built the pyramids at Giza.

Ben Isquith : 0:20:59 We don't?

Otis T. Carr : 0:21:00 No.

Ben Isquith : 0:21:01 It wasn't the... it wasn't a... Khufu the pharaoh?

Otis T. Carr : 0:21:06 It was not.

Ben Isquith : 0:21:07 Who was it?

Otis T. Carr : 0:21:09 We don't know.

Ben Isquith : 0:21:09 I say... Kanephron

Ellery Lanier : 0:21:11 There are four different associations.

Ben Isquith : 0:21:13 But Khufu was an excellent name.

Long John Nebel : 0:21:14 Something new.

Ellery Lanier : 0:21:15 Rewriting... Ben is rewritting history.

Otis T. Carr : 0:21:17 We don't know who built the sphinx.

Long John Nebel : 0:21:19 Now I don't know who built what?

Ellery Lanier : 0:21:21 Sabrina (sp) built... we know who built the (?).

Otis T. Carr : 0:21:24 Napoleon tried.

Ben Isquith : 0:21:26 Well... I thought we knew... who built the pyramid at Giza.

Otis T. Carr : 0:21:30 Cause it has never been duplicated.

Ben Isquith : 0:21:32 Why?

Otis T. Carr : 0:21:32 Ben... anything that has a... of this stature... a...man just wants you to build again.

Long John Nebel : 0:21:39 Why?

Otis T. Carr : 0:21:40 He can build again.

Long John Nebel : 0:21:41 Not necessarily

Ben Isquith : 0:21:42 The pylon of the terracen at the World's Fair... was a great structure... was built once... and never built again.

Ellery Lanier : 0:21:47 Give it time.

Otis T. Carr : 0:21:48 The principles... that this has been standing for thousands of years. Our very finest a... masons can not duplicate... the structure of stone that was put there. When we build... with masonry now... and all our science and (?) devices... there is still gaps between... that has to be filled with morter. I understand that you can't get a playing card between seventy ton blocks... of the giant pyramid at Giza.

Ben Isquith : 0:22:19 Mr. Carr... have you ever seen the pyramid at Giza?

Otis T. Carr : 0:22:23 Outside of Columbus... there's a shopping center... and they have the seven wonders of the world reproduced there very beautifully... and a...

Ben Isquith : 0:22:31 Columbus Ohio?

Otis T. Carr : 0:22:31 ... they have the pyramids of Giza.

Long John Nebel : 0:22:33 Columbus Ohio?

Ben Isquith : 0:22:33 Have you ever seen...

Otis T. Carr : 0:22:34 Columbus Ohio

Ben Isquith : 0:22:34 Have you ever seen...

Ellery Lanier : 0:22:35 That's a (?) fantasticly visited...

Otis T. Carr : 0:22:37 Wonderful... magnificent.

Ben Isquith : 0:22:38 Have you ever seen the pyramid of Giza?

Otis T. Carr : 0:22:40 This I saw... a (?)(?) model.

Ben Isquith : 0:22:42 No... in Egypt. Oh... you worked with a model. Do you know that...

Otis T. Carr : 0:22:45 A reference model.

Ben Isquith : 0:22:46 ... you know that... you know that little Egyptian boys... run up and down that pyramid for quarters. Cause these... cause these a... blocks of mason are so close together... that... that they can actually run up and down them like steps.

The model kit plans.
We'll revolve the whole section first and you'll notice that as the entire hull revolves...
all mounted on a single shaft enable the landing gear and the crew compartment to remain motionless...
the central core which is the Utron Electrical Accumulator. Which in turn supports a complex
of capacitor plates...
Will this operate without fuel? Does it create its own fuel is this what we call free energy?
what you would call fuel
is contained in the central power package
which is the Utron Accumulator. And this is an electrochemical storage battery.
it provides the inertial excitation which starts the central disk turning in the magnetic field.
will be about
twelve thousand volts.
we could build a craft like this several thousand feet in diameter by sailing up the materials and letting them float around until we used them. We could use this forty-five foot craft and haul up a few a pieces of material at a time and build you the most elaborate ship you'd ever want to see out in Space no trouble at all.
some of these very elaborate and magnificent rockets are comprised of more than three hundred thousand componet parts. This model craft that you see here has only
two moving parts.
parts.
the central disk which rotates clockwise as the hull section rotates counter clockwise are the only two moving parts of the craft.
Argosy Magazine
January 1959

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I have this article

Out of this World
by : Jules B. St. Germain

This article date makes this interview correct as 15 November 1958

the OTC X-1 craft that purely a transportation device for peaceful travel and exploration of this planet and other planets
in the Solar System and the Universe.
As we have stated in our published literature we have fervently hoped that no O.T.C. device will ever be used for a destructive purpose.
We don't know who built the pyramids at Giza.
Cause it has never
been duplicated.
there is still gaps between that has to be filled with morter. I understand that you can't get a playing card between seventy ton blocks of the giant pyramid at Giza.
is this kit to build a model Circular Foil Craft?
This model as you see it expressed on these plans can be made to fly when it's properly energized.
But what this set of model plans will do beyond that is demonstrate physically all of the new principles
of Mr. Carr's
spacecraft design and the electrogravitational power package that will energize the actual full scale craft
two
moving
Argosy Magazine
about... The Party Line... and about a number of the people that have appeared during the past year. In the March or April edition of Argosy.

I have not located a copy of this article with a photograph of the model Sam van der Vorrt shot.

Long John Nebel : 0:22:59 More like a ladder.

Ben Isquith : 0:23:00 I you can get a playing card between them... then you can get... you can get... a small boy between them.

Ellery Lanier : 0:23:04 You can step your foot between them... but that's what you are referring to... the masonry after the top covering was removed... by spoilers... you know that... don't you?

Otis T. Carr : 0:23:12 Right.

Ben Isquith : 0:23:12 Well... I... I think... I think... that I think that I can take... a... Mr. Carr down... to downtown Manhattan... and show him fine examples of masonry that are better than (?).

Otis T. Carr : 0:23:19 I doubt it. Not by weight. Not by seventy ton weight.

Ben Isquith : 0:23:25 All right... lets say it is a seventy ton weight... what... what... what is so... a... impossible...

Long John Nebel : 0:23:30 How did they lift it into position... that is the question.

Otis T. Carr : 0:23:33 Right. And place it so accurately... that its measurements... a... was such... that you could a... sight Polaris... within... one ten thousandth of an inch.

Ben Isquith : 0:23:44 Of course this was planned... sighting Polaris.

Otis T. Carr : 0:23:46 Absolutely.

Ben Isquith : 0:23:47 What about Cleopatra needles?

Ellery Lanier : 0:23:49 Was not Polaris... please.

Ben Isquith : 0:23:52 What was it?

Ellery Lanier : 0:23:53 It's another star... Polaris wasn't there at the time.

Ben Isquith : 0:23:57 It wasn't?

Ellery Lanier : 0:23:58 No.

Otis T. Carr : 0:23:58 At the time it was built... they don't think... of course this is conjectural.

Ellery Lanier : 0:24:03 Well... their pretty sure of that... it wasn't Polaris.

Ben Isquith : 0:24:07 It was... you know... I imagine... the Hanging Gardens of Babylon are considered pretty... astounding also... you think... those people grow... grew and planted these gardens?

Otis T. Carr : 0:24:15 We don't particularly think... but we're quite confident... that a... a... the Ezekiel spacecraft...

Ben Isquith : 0:24:25 Well... I don't know about Ezekiel... I'm getting more interested in the pyramid at Giza. I always wondered... and I heard this from... Dan Fry also... and I often wondered why people pick on that cool pyramid. Why do people always assume that the thing was there by spacecraft... when... when there are records... there are carvings all over it? There are... there are... historical records... and Egyptian dynasty?

Otis T. Carr : 0:24:45 The... the difficult...

Ben Isquith : 0:24:46 Several other... building exactly like it nearby.

Otis T. Carr : 0:24:51 I don't...

Ben Isquith : 0:24:51 Built by other Pharaohs.

Otis T. Carr : 0:24:52 Exactly...

Ben Isquith : 0:24:53 It just happens to be larger.

Otis T. Carr : 0:24:53 No... not exactly. Any student of these pyramids will tell you that they are not exactly... (?)... they are far different.

Ben Isquith : 0:25:03 Yes just much larger.

Otis T. Carr : 0:25:04 And also the inscriptions... which have... not all been deciphered by (?). However... getting back to... this possibility of visitations from... people from Space... over the centuries. There has always been... we feel... some visitation. Now it's only been in the past few years... that this has been accelerated. We also feel that after the OTC X-1... and other craft like it are built... and we too have gone into Space... this whole mystery... will cease to be a mystery any longer. We think that a... a... people from other planets will begin to identifiy themselves. Some of them... it may be very difficult... for them to be in this atmosphere... but maybe and exchange of ideas will be good on both sides. We may have to find out how to live on their planet... they may have to find out how to live on ours. This is all going to be good. A new Space Age... there has been others... we confidently feel... is on... is in the making... and we feel that a... we have a little bit of part in this history. In the fact that we know... the principle we have is sound and accurate... and our craft will fly outside the atmosphere... man and return.

Ben Isquith : 0:26:34 Have you solved the re-entry problem?

Otis T. Carr : 0:26:36 There isn't any problem... we carry... a force field with us... that eliminates it.

Ellery Lanier : 0:24:03 Mr. Carr...

Ben Isquith : 0:26:42 The eliminate the (?) ?

Otis T. Carr : 0:26:46 There is no temperature... that we can't withstand inside our craft... because our force field... totally sets up like... the same a vacuum.

Ben Isquith : 0:26:54 Well... what speed will you re-enter the atmosphere?

Otis T. Carr : 0:26:54 Approximately... twenty five thousand miles per hour.

Ben Isquith : 0:27:04 You'll re-enter the Earth's atmosphere... at twenty five thousand miles...

Otis T. Carr : 0:27:06 (?)(?)... not in the immediate atmosphere... no... we'll be down to around to a... if a heavy side of the air... it will be eighteen thousand miles per hour.

Ben Isquith : 0:27:14 Well... that's fast enough. And you will not burn up?

Otis T. Carr : 0:27:16 Not at all.

Ben Isquith : 0:27:16 Why not?

Otis T. Carr : 0:27:18 Because our force field will protect us.

Ben Isquith : 0:27:20 Well... I can say that you won't burn up... because wishing makes it so. Why will it... what... how... what force field... ?

Otis T. Carr : 0:27:25 Do you understand... a... let me tell you something about force field.

Ben Isquith : 0:27:29 Yes... do that.

Otis T. Carr : 0:27:32 The only one that we are experienced with... is in our craft. But there are others demonstrated here... on this planet. And a very good one... is an acetylene torch. When a man... a diver... can go down a hundred feet underwater... and a... use an organic flame... and burn just as well... with million of tons of pressure of water around him... as he does out in the open. The reason being is... this flame... has a force field around it... and not one drop of water gets into it.

Ben Isquith : 0:28:11 What is this force field composed of?

Otis T. Carr : 0:28:13 It's composed of... in this particular instants of the acetylene torch... the pressure of the flame... sets up a shell... a force around it.

Ben Isquith : 0:28:22 Well... that isn't the way to talk to me.

Otis T. Carr : 0:28:24 No?

Long John Nebel : 0:28:26 Mr. Lanier

Ellery Lanier : 0:28:27 Mr. Carr... from what you have been saying this morning... it seems likely that... you and your co-pilot will be the first human beings... in history to enter outer space.

Otis T. Carr : 0:28:43 This is possible. We think... that this is history making... and even this a... a... discussion here this morning... because we are so near to (?)(?).

Ellery Lanier : 0:28:54 In other words... we are sitting... with a man who will be a hero of the ages... if this comes off.

Otis T. Carr : 0:28:59 We don't expect... to be a hero at any time. We want to be a good servant... of our master the lord.

Long John Nebel : 0:29:08 Let me take just a moment to a... ask you a... a couple of questions... Mr. a... Carr. What do you think of... Van Tassel... not personally... but his story?

Otis T. Carr : 0:29:24 We don't know very much about it. We had the good forture... this a... Summer... of visiting... at giant rock... for one night. Wherein he was a wonderful host. We had very little opportunity to talk to him. We arrived late... and I was interested in going out in the desert... for a little bit of a... possible observation of spacecraft. And the next morning Mr. Van Tassel talked to me about his plans. They all sounded very sincere... and they most assuredly... were uplifting. I myself have been so busy... on the development of the O.T.C. business. And what we know... that can come into reality... even though I do come across these people... I can not explore... what they are doing.

Long John Nebel : 0:30:13 Let me ask you this sir. And I'd like a fair and square answer. And I... I feel that a... some of our listeners... would like to hear your honest opinion about this sir. A good percentage of the listeners... know... a... Van Tassel. Know him... because they've heard him. True... you haven't had a... a... tremendous amount of time... to observe and to check on some of the statements made by Geroge Van Tassel. But I want to ask you this. Does it sound plausible to you Mr. Carr... as a scientist... as an inventor... as a pioneer... that Mr. Van Tassel... has the plans for a rejuvenating machine... and the plans for the conisscope (sp)?

Otis T. Carr : 0:31:08 I can't answer this. I don't have such plans. I do not know of such plans. I have never seen... this type... where anything mechanically that man might do... would do this. I say this... that we have within us... the potential of total rejuvenation. Incidently... man has (?)(?)(?).

Long John Nebel : 0:31:37 Well... I have a couple of other a... people I'd like to have opinions about. I would like your honest opinion... about Howard Menger and George Adamski. But... I want you to take a moment to think about this before you comment on either one of those two gentleman. And I know... that you spent a considerable amount of time... with Howad Menger... so certainly you're possibly in a better position... to discuss Menger than you are... Van Tassel. I'll tell you what... instead of having you answer that question now... I think we'll take a coffee break at this time... we'll be back in just... 0:32:25 I hope you people will be with us. And again we'll pick up our... interview with... Otis T. Carr. Mr. Carr... is the president of O.T.C. Enterprises of Baltimore Maryland. Mr. Norman Colton... of O.T.C. Enterprises is with us... Ellery Lanier... Ben Isquith... Dave Field... and Sam Vandivert... representing Argosy Magazine... taking pictures tonight... which should appear... in the April or March edition with the Herb Bailey story. Just in case you've a... joined us in the past few minutes... let me remind you that Mr. Carr is the man... who has made the statement... and the announcement has been officially made... that he will leave at 12:01 AM... on the seventh day of December the year of 1959... for the Moon. In the OTC X-1 Circular Foil Craft. We have been told Mr. Carr will depart from Space Maryland... in a vertical rise... and beginning orbit of the Earth at a speed of... five thousand miles per hour. We'll find out more about this... and more about the opinions of Mr. Carr... as far as the... other so called a... contactees are concerned... we'll get all of this information when we come back... in just twenty minutes. 0:34:01 This is... WOR Radio... your station in New York... and this is Long John with... The Party Line... 710 on the dial. We get back with our guests again. I would like to... remind our listeners that if you'd like to join us some mornings... you have something you'd like to talk about... your more than welcome to send me your name address and phone number... put interview on the outside of the envelope... and I'll turn that request over to our continuity acceptance department... also please give me a little bit of an idea of what you'd like to talk about... and maybe you'll be with us... in another couple of weeks... I hope so. We got a couple of rough ones here... Otis... a couple of rough ones. And a...

Otis T. Carr : 0:34:50 Okay John.

Long John Nebel : 0:34:52 Now here's one here from Montreal Quebec. Don't worry about the Carr contraption... because it will never take-off for anywhere. He is all wet. W.A. Sui... is that how you pronounce it? S-o... Sui. No need for a comment.

Otis T. Carr : 0:35:18 No comment.

Long John Nebel : 0:35:19 Thank you.

Norman Colton : 0:35:20 We don't know about Mr. Sui... but there is a very... eminent... Canadain citizen... who had a... publicly confirmed that a... what Mr. Carr says... he... can and will do... that he can and will do. We're not at this moment permitted to mention his name... but a... we have that in writing from him.

Long John Nebel : 0:35:42 Would you put your hands down... you're covering the microphone.

Norman Colton : 0:35:44 Oh... thanks

Long John Nebel : 0:35:44 Thanks very much Mr. Colton. Here's another one. This is from the... gentleman in Yonkers New York... he has requested me not to use his name. Which we certainly give any of our listeners... the right the same as you've mentioned the... eminent scientist in... Canada. Also agrees with Mr. Carr's theories... and you don't want to divulge his name. You can keep that... and I'll have to keep that from you.

Ellery Lanier : 0:36:10 (sound like) clears his throat...

Long John Nebel : 0:35:11 However... this man is not quite as enthused... about... laughs... Mr. Carr... as the gentleman in Canada. Quite... this man lives in Yonkers... people in Yonkers... they're not... enthusiastic. Mr. Carr... like... Van Tessal... don't you need... two or three million... a... a... two or three million dollar building too? (?)

Otis T. Carr : 0:36:34 The... a... space research hanger alone... will cost more than I quoted. Approximately two million dollars. And the craft will cost about a million... five hundred thousand.

Ellery Lanier : 0:36:48 This is like...

Long John Nebel : 0:36:48 What were you trying to sell for twenty million?

Otis T. Carr : 0:36:51 We said... complete tooling... this is six buildings.

someone : 0:36:53 (?) the plant... the plant...

Otis T. Carr : 0:36:55 (?)

Long John Nebel : 0:36:57 That's understandable. Here's one more... from Sandwood New Jersey... I've never heard of Sandwood New Jersey... wonder where... where abouts is that?

Jack Keen : 0:37:06 It's close to Plainfield... John.

Long John Nebel : 0:37:08 Sandwood... near Plainfield... on Route 22.

Jack Keen : 0:37:11 In that neighborhood... I just know it by...

Long John Nebel : 0:37:13 Sandwood New Jersey... this is from Harold H. Monsen... M-o-n-s-e-n... Sandwood New Jersey... Harald H. Monsen. Here is Mr. Monsen's question... and statement. The most efficient electrical accumulator... that we know today... will deliver... only eighty to eight-five percent of the energy put into it. How can you spend... one hundred units of power and recover only eighty-five units... for a later delivery and keep going? Now I don't even understand this... but I know you do Mr. Carr.

Otis T. Carr : 0:37:53 He may have... been... talking about the... development of a... Mr. Kerring... the a... formaldehyde... burning formaldehyde... to produce electromotive force. We have a different principle. We are applying... atmospheric electricity... electrostatic charges in our capacitor plates. And are drawing atmosphere... electricity... electricity out of the atmosphere... and successfully putting it to work... we feel... for the first time.

Long John Nebel : 0:38:35 You finished?

Otis T. Carr : 0:38:36 Yes.

Long John Nebel : 0:38:37 Here is a telegram from... Glen Head New York. Mr. Carr said... Russian... exceeded speed of light. This is not true. They have accelerated... an electron in water... greater than speed of light in water. The speed of light in water... is only three fourths... the speed of light in a vacuum. Mr. Mink.

Otis T. Carr : 0:39:05 We note that they... Nobel Prize publication... had put in the paper... stated that a... there was a variance in the constants... of the speed of light... as we know it. The... whole technical... subject here... is... one that I wouldn't care to go into. We have felt for many years... that... we invented the speed of light. That life in reality is... and doesn't necessarily have to be considered... in velocities... of any manner. Being man made... most of the things that man invents... he improves upon. I think that this constants... of the speed of light... which has the weakness of the observer. We can not have a constant measurement... measurement unless we have an absolute zero. We can not have an absolute zero... unless... there is no motion. And the observer... always being in motion... is evaluation of the speed of light... are open to... consideration... conjecture... and possibly error.

Long John Nebel : 0:40:28 Ben Isquith...

Ben Isquith : 0:40:30 Mr. Carr... I wonder what you think about the a... news story that was reported recently in the New York... the front page of the New York Times. I think it was at Columbia University... where two scientists... a... used... mazes... which are sort of an atomic... clock. And... but a... got... degrees... degrees of fantastic accuracy... and a... verified the Michael and Morley experiment in an entirely new technique. That... that... that's once again... a... reaffirming Einstein's... principle about the constancy of the speed of light.

Otis T. Carr : 0:41:05 Doctor Einstein... always questioned... the one weakness in it... and this is the observer. If the speed of light is constant... and it is going in one direction... at a hundred and eighty six thousand miles an hour... and something else... passes it... going at the same speed... what velocity will you have?

Ben Isquith : 0:41:30 This is exactly the point. The speed of light going against the Earth... and the speed of light going with the Earth was measured. Now theoretically... the beam of light that is traveling with Earth... will have a different velocity... than the beam of light that is going against the Earth... when you measure it. Now upon experimentation this is found to be exactly equal. It's a fact... that there are only two possible conclusions to this kind of experiment. One... that the Earth is not moving... it is standing still. Or two... that the speed of light is constant. Whether or not... you were traveling with it... as a velocity... or whether you're traveling against it... or away from it.

Long John Nebel : 0:42:07 I'm a little confused at this moment. That... I was under the impression... it was a hundred and eighty six thousand miles per second... not an hour.

Otis T. Carr : 0:42:15 That's right... per second.

Ben Isquith : 0:42:16 Did I say that?

Otis T. Carr : 0:42:17 Well... no... I may have said it.

Long John Nebel : 0:42:20 I was wondering if there has been a change in the...

Otis T. Carr : 0:42:21 I've been told... the interest is in... chuckles... in the aero flight of my craft. But a... this always has the weakness of the observer again. We ourselves... in this dimension... three dimensions... can not possiblty evaluate and say that this is total... because there are other dimensions. Now they have found out... that thought is... that a... they have not been able... able to measure the velocity... of thought. It can be instantaneous... from one individual to another... around the Earth or half way around it. This therefore... sets up another constants. Which is entirely different... from the constance as we call... the speed of light. And so far as we know... anything that has the velocity... sometime or other must have mass and must have weight. And we don't know of anyone who has ever told us... what the weight of a dream was.

Ben Isquith : 0:43:32 A photon has weight though.

Otis T. Carr : 0:43:33 That's right... but we still don't know what the weight of an image is.

Ben Isquith : 0:43:37 But the question is (?) is not the velocity of dreams... the velocity of light.

Otis T. Carr : 0:43:42 Therefore we have... possibilities of other measurements which we have not yet be conscious of. We are confident... that it will be found... that this manufactured time equation... and speed which is a man made equation... will have many variations the very first time. That man himself... a three dimentional creature... moves into another force field... outside the one he is living in. This means... that we shall experience some of this... between even the Earth and the Moon. Because at the time... when we arrive... for the Moon... has a greater gravity pull. For our craft... than the Earth has... we will have... hit a point of zero time. And when we start... to move in... under the influence of the Moon... we will have joined... what we have stated from the beginning... we have become... a fourth dimensional being. We have gone away... from the dimensions that rule us... into another dimension. Even thought it may be the same force field... maybe the same identical type of gravity. We have gone into another dimension. And in our releases... when we first made them public... we said we had invented... a fourth dimensional space vehicle... we still stand beside this. We think that when we return from our flight to the Moon... we will be able to tell you something about time... and about velocity... that are... different that what is now accepted.

Ben Isquith : 0:45:22 Mr. Carr... you leave me sort of gasping for words. Because... I don't know whether... I mean... I don't know whether it's due to my own... complete lack of insight... or whether or not your are playing with words with me. But... when you talk... and discuss... the speed of light... and then say... the speed of dreams has not been measured... therefore we don't know anything about... about light. I mean... is this... is this a method of... of investigation or thinking that you are using your own work?

Otis T. Carr : 0:45:52 We have...

Ben Isquith : 0:45:52 I mean... can I... can I... can I just add one thing?
I mean... it always seems to me that... terms such as... a the... the immediacy of thought... and... and on the... speed of a dream or a vision. These... are these things to me... seem to be... nothing more or less than an
allegorical statement. Whereas the statement about the... speed of light... it's not an allegorical statement.

Otis T. Carr : 0:46:14 It is one made by (?) conscious observation... on a three dimensional plane. So another... dimension it could be entirely different. And believe me... some of the best thinkers... on Earth... are... trying to consider this problem. Even a... professor Pickard has stated... that it is possible for a man to be on a two month journey... into another galaxy... and come back and find that... a thousand years has passed here on this Earth. And all the things that he... might have liked and adored... were already crumbled into dust. Now thinking men... have come up with these evaluation... and believe me... our consideration of time... and our... evaluation of the velocity of radiance... may come up with some changes.

Long John Nebel : 0:47:08 May I... get into this again... a... Ben or... you do you have some a... further line of questions? I would like to a... of course I want to get back to a couple of my... questions Mr. Carr. I haven't completed my line of questioning in reference to George Van Tassel... Dan Fry... Howard Menger... George Adamski and I could go on an on. Well... I wonder if we could move a couple of these containers away. Dave Field... would you be kind enough to come in here a moment. I want to get a couple of these things away so... I can a... read this. 0:47:43 I have on... in front of me at the present time... caughs pardon me... an ad... that is a layout... of a full page ad. The size of the... newspaper would be the a... full size news paper... such as the New York Times... or the Harold Tribune. Not a tabloid size... like the... News... or the Merial. And this would be... a full page ad. It reads... Help Wanted... Men of courage and vision needed for Space Age. O.T.C. Enterprises proudly assumes its leadership... for the third Electrical Age. And a... this is a little difficult for me to read. It's certainly large enough... but a... being an elderly person... I have bifocals... and to read it is tough. Lets get this again... 0:48:47 Help Wanted... Men of courage and vision needed for Space Age. Highly trained engineers for... electronics... astronautics... electricity... hydraulics... architects... structural designers... celestial mechanics... electrograviate... space form design... also... technical writers... administrators... executives... sales engineers... personal experts... also... foreign representatives... foreign manufactures... and a... I could go on and on... but I wanted... do you want to set that down... let me read some of the... copy... for a moment that I have in front of me... that will be a part of this ad. 0:49:33 There has never been in the history of the United States... and there never will be again... within the next one hundred years. Anywhere in the world... another opportunity for the application of talent... and capital resulting in great wealth... prestige... and lasting securities... as the one presented here. These are the facts... and will be demonstrated to qualified men and woman of sound judgement. Who have the inherent tendency and ability to go ahead... when the majority doubts... and waits. Read it... and read it carefully. Space experts in all countries are spending millions of... dollars... francs... pounds... marks... and rubles... on a wild race for supremacy of Space... and Space exploitation. 0:50:32 More than two years ago... our president... Mr. Otis T. Carr... publicly offered the world... his electrified propulsion system for practical space flight. Now two years later... after tons of newspaper headlines... and nineteen million dollars worth of disappointment and failure... comes respected scientist... Dr. Hermann Oberth... who acknowledged... that the rockets are all wrong. So Carr was... and still is... right. Now I have not read all of the copy... there is much much more to this ad. I have been told that this ad will appear... in the very near future in the... Wall Street Journal... and other financial papers in different parts of this country. 0:51:33 And now I would like to ask you... Mr. Carr or Mr. Colton... a few questions... about this ad. The first question. Do you mean... because... Dr. Hermann Oberth... have I pronounce that correctly incidentally? Is that right Ellery?

Ellery Lanier : 0:51:58 Yes... Oberth... yes.

Long John Nebel : 0:51:59 Do you mean to say gentleman... that because Dr. Hermann Oberth... claims that... rockets... are all wrong... that this... implies... that... Otis T. Carr... is right?

Otis T. Carr : 0:52:19 Well... Doctor Oberth... in this statement... said that electricity... would probably be the power. And... this is the power that we have claimed from the beginning... and which we know to be correct. It was a... The Great Nikola Tesla who brought this into our consciousness... when we knew him... for three years... from 1925 to 1928. Mr. Tesla told us... he said... it will be impossible for man... to... travel in Space... unless he has a universal source of power with him... that he can carry with him... and he can bring back with him. And this lead us into... the exploration which is now a success.

Long John Nebel : 0:53:01 Mr. Carr... when you had the pleasure of knowing... the gentleman whose name you pronounce as... Tesla. Did he ever correct you... and tell you that... the correct pronouncation is... Tesla?

Otis T. Carr : 0:53:14 Never once... and I don't even recall... even mentioning his name... more than once or twice. When I first met him... I was a youth of twenty years old. I was told... that his name was Tesla... I know that it's... Tesla. But over the years... I thought of him in this name... and I never changed it in my mind.

Long John Nebel : 0:53:35 uh huh. Now... before I continue my line of questioning... I'd like to read... a... some other parts... of this ad... the copy. Otis T. Carr... of Baltimore Maryland... inventor... scientist... and explorer of nature's secrets... has succeeded... during in his thirty five years of research... experimentation... trials and tribulations... to harness some of nature's power and energy. Setting aside... most conventional power and locomotion... he now uses the interplay of gravity and electromagnetism... and a delicate balance of enormous potential power. You really do this Mr. Carr?

Otis T. Carr : 0:54:26 Absolutely. This we do. This is not an idle statement. There are thousands and thousands of countless... enumerable applications of these principles... for ever type of (?) power or mobile power that you an think of. Now we will have electric (?) that will produce... very small and will produce twelve volts... for months. As compared to any other system that we know of now. We will be able to electrify a... wheel transportation on the ground... such as... automobiles and so forth. And in passive application... we will be able to make generating plants... for electromotive force... available anywhere on this Earth... without fuel... expendable fuel.

Long John Nebel : 0:55:25 Mr. Carr... if I may continue... reading parts of this ad. Virtually free universal power... which can be used to run anything from an electric razer... to a steel mill... to a spaceship. And at a fraction of the cost of today's power system. These startling scientific proving... proven accomplishments... open up new rich frontiers. For all those qualified talented men and woman... who are prepared to participate... in this new age of Space activity. High positions... fortunes and fame. Lifetime top career... await those who are ready to join... this new and thrilling venture... into the space age. High type talent in all fields... hard work and great sacrifices are called for to qualify... for participation in this new age organization. 0:56:34 When this ad appears... in The Wall Street Journal and other financial papers. Do you honestly think... that there will be a need on the part of the O.T.C. Enterprises... for all of these people... that you seem to feel that you need?

It was The Great Nikola Tesla who brought this into our consciousness when we knew him for three years from 1925 to 1928. Mr. Tesla told us he said it will be impossible for man to travel in Space unless he has a universal source of power with him that he can carry with him and he can bring back with him. And this lead us into the exploration which is now a success.
How did they lift it
into position that is
the question.
Right. And place it so accurately that its measurements was such that you could a sight Polaris within one ten thousandth of an inch.
after the OTC X-1 and other craft like it are built and we too have gone into Space this whole mystery will cease to be a mystery any longer.
Have you solved the re-entry problem?
There isn't any problem we carry a force field with us that eliminates it.
And you will not burn up?
Because our force field will protect us.
In other words we are sitting with a man who will be a hero of the ages if this comes off.
We don't expect to be a hero at any time. We want to be a good servant of our master the lord.
Sam Vandivert representing
Argosy Magazine taking pictures tonight which should appear in the April or March edition with the Herb Bailey story.

It's in April 1958
thanks to ebay
I have a copy.

Magazine date to be true means this interview could be November 1957.

Madness at Midnight
by : Herbert Bailey

Wonder if he is speaking of : Arthur H. Matthews
We have a different principle. We are applying atmospheric electricity electrostatic charges
in our capacitor plates.
And are drawing atmosphere electricity
out of the atmosphere
and successfully putting
it to work
we feel for the first time.
And when we start to move in under the influence of the Moon we will have joined what we have stated from the beginning we have become a fourth dimensional being. We have gone away from the dimensions that rule us into another dimension. Even thought it may be the same force field maybe the same identical type of gravity. We have gone into another dimension. And in our releases when we first made them public we said we had invented a fourth dimensional space vehicle we still stand beside this.
O.T.C. Enterprises proudly assumes its leadership for the third Electrical Age.
More than two years ago our president Mr. Otis T. Carr publicly offered the world his electrified propulsion system for practical space flight.
0:53:35 I'd like to read some other parts of this ad the copy. Otis T. Carr of Baltimore Maryland inventor scientist and explorer of nature's secrets has succeeded during in his thirty five years of research experimentation trials
and tribulations to harness some of nature's power and energy. Setting aside most conventional power and locomotion
he now uses the interplay of gravity and electromagnetism and a delicate balance of enormous potential power. You really do this Mr. Carr?
Absolutely. This we do. This is not an idle statement. There are thousands and thousands of countless enumerable applications of these principles for ever type of (?) power or mobile power that you an think of.
We will be able to electrify wheel transportation on the ground such as automobiles and so forth. And in passive application we will be able to make generating plants for electromotive force available anywhere
on this Earth without
fuel... expendable fuel.
let me remind you that Mr. Carr is the man who has made the statement and the announcement has been officially made that he will leave at 12:01 AM on the seventh day of December the year of 1959 for the Moon. In the OTC X-1 Circular Foil Craft.

Otis T. Carr : 0:56:58 We will employ at Space Maryland... approximately eight hundred people. We want the very best... to introduce these principles. We've only built prototypes here. We need a lot of engineers... to work... on various applications. We need vision... we need talent... and it will be sort of a... very enlarged... Menlo Park. Wherein men with their hands... and with their brains... and with new inspiration... will come up with ideas... that we don't even dream of here now.

Long John Nebel : 0:57:35 Mr. Carr... one question is in my mind... and it has been since we... started at the coffee break. I was looking at this ad... I enjoy the copy... I think it is a... great job as far as copy is concerned... my compliments to the writer.

Otis T. Carr : 0:57:51 Mr. Colton had a hand in it.

Long John Nebel : 0:57:53 Excellent Mr. Colton. But the question is this sir. If you really need all of these people... and I... went through that a couple of minutes ago... engineers... scientists. Well... I don't know how many different... professions. Wouldn't it be advisable to put this ad... in... The New York Times... The Harold Tribune... possibly even in the New York... Journal American... or the... New York Daily News or the Mirror... or some papers like that. Instead of financial papers. You honestly think that all of these professional people... buy... The Wall Street Journal?

Otis T. Carr : 0:58:39 We are confident that the distribution... that is national... of a... of a... of a... any type of publication that deals to all of the people all over the country... will reach... sufficient number of interested people... to fill our needs. In choosing a publication like... The Wall Street Journal... is unquestionably... there will be... comments about this advertisement... and it will have a lasting... a... weight to it... that we feel... will quickly fill all of our needs. Now a...

Long John Nebel : 0:59:28 Financially... or as far as employees are concerned.

Otis T. Carr : 0:59:31 We... we mention all of our needs. And all of our needs is about everything that you can think of.

Norman Colton : 0:59:39 To break that down a little further John...

Long John Nebel : 0:59:41 Yes... Mr. Colton.

Norman Colton : 0:59:42 ... you know that the periodicals are divided categorically... as general and special. The... special audiences of the... a... top circulation financial dailies... are the people... this ad is most likely to appeal to. Of course... these are the people who are in daily touch with the... a... commodity and economic environment. They are the people who when we say in our headline... The Third Electrical Age... will immediately... have a proper concept of the bigness of this enterprise. It is as though... alternating current... itself... were being reintroduced. And to a get a picture in your imagination of of the scope of the... new bases for... all industry and commerce. Just think of it in terms of the... alternating current... a... system being reintroduced in another form which... does not use conventional fuels... for prime motivation. We use the free abundant space forces... as the prime mover for these energy systems and... these propulsion power packages.

Long John Nebel : 1:01:05 Mr. Colton... I was asking Mr. Carr... about George Van Tassel. Instead of going back to Mr. Carr... I'd like to... swing this line of questioning in your direction sir. As a businessman... I don't think that you ever labeled yourself a... a... as a scientist or an inventor. I imagine you're the businessman... is that right sir?

Norman Colton : 1:01:34 I... I like to label myself... the communicator.

Long John Nebel : 1:01:38 Fine... all right... will you communicate with me... for a little while. Do you think... that there is any remote possibility... that... Mr. Carr... is so reluctant to... give us an opinion about Mr. Van Tassel... that this can be indirctly be detrimental to the potential of O.T.C. Enterprises. In other words... a large percentage of the people... that listened to George Van Tassel... on this... a... over this station. Not once... but possibly five or six times. They've heard George describe the conniscope (sp) I think it is aply named. They have also heard George... a... describe the... crushed head of a lizard. And this lizard was picked up... dead naturally... placed in the rejuvenation machine out in the desert... and in a matter of seconds... the lizard came right out of that machine... the head completely restored. Brain surgeons were there... back in October 1956 when I first heard this story. Recently they were not brain surgeons... they were not quite sure whether it was a lizard... but a couple of guys around the desert with this (?). 1:03:08 Now what do you think... Mr. Colton... and I'm asking you... and I am being very sincere... as the communicator I want you to communicate with me and tell me. If you were at home at the present time listening... and you heard this whole story from George Van Tassel. And you heard the story from Dan Fry describing a piece of metal... extra terrestrial metal... hovering over the table. A man went to grab the piece of metal... he put it in his pocket... sat over in the sideline of this studio. And in a matter of thirty of forty seconds... the metal just flew right out of his pocket... hovered once again over the table... and then landed on the table. Which actually it didn't happen that way. But when these stories are repeated over the air... do you think that this can be... a good public relation value... to the O.T.C. Enterprises... to have the president sit in front of the microphone tonight... and say... yes it could be possible... yes... I know that we have many many lives. What do you think about this Mr. Communicator?

Norman Colton : 1:04:19 I actually agree with it.

Long John Nebel : 1:04:22 With George Van Tassel?

Norman Colton : 1:04:24 I fully agree with Mr. Carr's statement. Which was not as I recall it... in direct respect to George Van Tassel. But I myself have become convinced... that whatever man can imagine... or whatever man can image... man can do... or... man can cause to be done. I don't think that in my acquaintance with Mr. Carr he's ever dealt in personalities... Van Tassel or otherwise or that he has ever conjectured... about any of the scientific statements...

Long John Nebel : 1:05:00 Who would you know... Van Tassel?

Norman Colton : 1:05:03 About anyone.

Long John Nebel : 1:05:03 Oh... I think... (?)

Norman Colton : 1:05:03 He deals... strictly in fact... not in... fantasy or fiction. And in a... nearly two years of association... in which... a... I am constantly being exposed to a... sources of basic information... and the known constance of nature. I have never found... Mr. Carr to have contradicted himself. And so on this subject of rejuvenation... all I know is... that... a... I'm told by the pathologist... that a... man rejuvenates himself... ever so often... in the course of his lifetime.

Long John Nebel : 1:05:42 Well... then we wouldn't need a machine... if man can do it himself?

Norman Colton : 1:05:45 Well... man can do... a lot of things himself that no machine has ever done. No scientist has ever made a man... but man can make a man... and a... does quite frequently.

Long John Nebel : 1:05:57 Well... Mr. Communicator... Norman Colton again. I have another question... not one... but maybe two or three... or at least one question with... a couple of parts. We've talked... tonight... and on other nights... with you gentleman... about... twenty million dollars. Which... in my book... is a lot of money. I mean it... it's... it a... may not be a lot of money to build spaceships... it's a lot of money... if you're going out to buy jelly beans with it. But the thought comes to my mind... here... is a man... out in California... at Giant Rock Airport... and all this man needs is a mere... pittance... thirty thousand dollars. 1:06:51 In my book... this... this is nothing. Not that I've ever had that type of money. I've never been even near anybody that has that type of money. But... thirty thousand dollars is a nothing compared to twenty million. Now... true... I... I can see that this would be... it would be great for kids to go to the Moon... and scientific... as... as far as science is concerned... it may be a great value to... be able to go to the Moon. And I certainly want to be first in line to... caughs... pardon me... congratulate Mr. Carr for attempting this trip... when he does. 1:07:28 But I would like to ask you this... wouldn't it be better... for us to at least delay this trip... lets say... for a coulple of weeks... and take thirty thousand dollars and give it to George Van Tassel... so we can get this rejuvenating machine working. Which will be of great value... to the people on this planet. And lets face it Mr. Communicator. Lets think of our own people... before we think of... the Moon people... before we think of the Martians... and the Venusians. 1:08:00 And we don't even know if their going to be nice to us. We don't even know if they're there. How about taking care of those... that are dear and near to us... our own friends... our own family. Wouldn't it be worthwhile geting... thirty thousand dollars together... that in my book is like... thirty cents? When you talk in terms of twenty million dollars.

Norman Colton : 1:08:23 Well... as a... Shakespeare... or Shakespeare-Bacon put it... to each his own. We're dealing with... miniaturizations... of... space forms... and space forces. To get... practical applications of energies... for... mechanical motion and for transportation. Our flight to the Moon... will demonstrate... that man is able to leave the Earth gravity field... and successfully enter Space. As the satellites have already shown... a... once a device... gets into outer space... is able... at a distance of about... five... six hundred miles... to circumnavigate the Earth in about an hour and a half. 1:09:12 And so for immediate needs of transportation and communication... when we demonstrate practical space flight... and orbit... outside the Earth's atmosphere... we will have demonstrated... that it is possible to have... man's flight around the world... in a passanger flying aircraft... in a (?)(?). And so here we have a craft... which... if you look at it as... I did when Mr. Carr first exposed it to me. In itself... appears to be a... miniature Solar System. With its... Sun at the center... and the... planets and the moons... in a certain relationship surrounding it. And so it behaves like a miniature Solar System. And generates and miniaturizes the... natural available... space forces... which move the... planets and moons in the Solar System.

Long John Nebel : 1:10:12 Does the communicator of this organization... do you act confident... in Mr. Van Tassel... rejuvenating machine... that you would rather not... suggest to the stockholders of O.T.C. Enterprises Incorporated... to take a measly thirty thousand dollars to help their fellow man rejuvenate?

Norman Colton : 1:10:31 I... I wouldn't label a... thirty thousand dollars... a measly.

Long John Nebel : 1:10:34 Gee it is if you've got... twenty thousand.

Norman Colton : 1:10:36 laughs...

Long John Nebel : 1:10:38 I... I've got in my pocket now... about thirty bucks. And I mean... if I lost thirty cents... I mean the world wouldn't come to an end.

Norman Colton : 1:10:45 Well... I would say this... that if Mr. Van Tassel... has been able to... adequately demonstrate... the... a... basic validity... of his principles. Then someone somewhere... who is as interested in rejuvenation... as we are... in the reproduction of... natural forces... for... motion... and energy... and propulsion and so forth. But... there are lots of people who would be willing to give Mr. Van Tassel the money he needs... to develop these principles.

Long John Nebel : 1:11:17 Now I want to ask you about... you see... I didn't want to put you on a spot... as far as what you thought of Van Tassel... because... actually... you don't know him that well.

Norman Colton : 1:11:24 No... I've never met the gentleman.

Long John Nebel : 1:11:26 I'm aware of that. Now I'm going to ask you about a man... by the name of... Menger... Howard Menger. What is your opinion sir?

Norman Colton : 1:11:36 Well... there is a... another peculiar circumstance. I've... sat up many a night... listening to your... very interesting... dialog with Mr. Menger. So when we had the opportunity... to visit his farm... in a... New Jersey... not too long ago. I was hoping to have some conversation with Mr. Menger. But we were both so busy... and so many different directions with the... small groups... from among the many hundreds there... asking each of us... different kinds of questions... at different places... a... around the lawn... and in rooms of the house. All I got to say to Mr. Menger was... hello and good-bye.

Long John Nebel : 1:12:21 Do you have any confidence in his story at all... you're familiar with his story... I know that.

Norman Colton : 1:12:26 I've heard his story many times. All I can say is... that he... tells it the same way every time. He seems sincere. He seems to a... believe what he says. He... represents his experiences as having been real... and I'm just not in a position to question... or doubt... or criticize in any way.

Long John Nebel : 1:12:51 Now... my next question... Mr. Colton. And again... I address this question to you the communicator of... O.T.C. Enterprises... rather than discussing it with Mr. Carr. I know Mr. Carr is very busy... working on and planning for this... trip to the Moon. Whereas you... you're sort of... down on the ground... with both feet on the ground... and your thinking in terms of the problems that we have on this planet. And let Mr. Carr... be concerned about... what's happening on the Moon. I want to ask you this sir. If Mr. Menger's story is true... if Mr. Van Tassel story is true... if Mr. Adamski's story is true... and Mr. Dan Fry's story... wouldn't it be very very practical... 1:13:48 I'll throw in the mystic barb or two for you... to give you... what we'll call the big five. Wouldn't it be practical for you sir... Norman Colton... the... the... the businessman... the communicator... for O.T.C. Enterprises. To spend a few dollars... what could it cost... maybe five hundred dollars for each of these men... a measly twenty five hundred dollars. To gather these five... the big five... together... at the offices of O.T.C. Enterprise in Baltimore Maryland. And sit these men down... and talk to them... and say now... gentleman look... our president has confidence in you... he stated this on... The Long John Show not long ago. And I have no reason to... doubt your story... or even to discount it. 1:14:47 You sound like sincere gentleman. And we all are interesting in one thing... to help our fellow man... we're trying to bring the message. We have the craft ready... you men have had contact with the Venusians... the Martians. One of you... a... Mr. Sinatra... you've been to the Moon. Mr. Adamski... you've seen these saucers... you've had contact with these people. Mr. Fry you've been in one. Mr. Menger... you've been to... Venus and Mars. And Mr. Van Tassel... you communicate telepathically. Lets all get together... instead of having the big five... lets have the large six and see what we can do. Wouldn't this be a practical approach... Mr. Colton?

Norman Colton : 1:15:33 No a... sometimes it's a... not only all I can do to give you a straight answer... it's all I can do to keep a straight face. chuckles...

Long John Nebel : 1:15:43 Are you... are you laughing...

Norman Colton : 1:15:45 chuckles...

Long John Nebel : 1:15:45 ... at me sir?

Norman Colton : 1:15:46 chuckles...

Long John Nebel : 1:15:47 If you are fine...

Norman Colton : 1:15:48 I want... chuckles...

Long John Nebel : 1:15:50 Do you think... do you think that my... do you think that my question... is a stupid question?

Norman Colton : 1:15:54 Well... I...

Long John Nebel : 1:15:54 Is it a ridiculous question?

Norman Colton : 1:15:56 I'll answer it this way. And a... it's pure hypothesis of course. I use to do a little selling some years ago. And... I knew I had the best product... and I knew I had a fair price. And whenever it came to a showdown... I would always try to get the... prospect... to insist... that my competitors... all gather with me in one room. And lay their stories on the line. In competition with mine... and let the prospect be the judge. I was never able to get my... competitors to... assent to this device. So... I doubt... in the hypothetical situation you set up... that if I had the twenty five hundred dollars and was willing to spend it... to... produce this situation... that I would even be able to get... all five to discuss... joining with the sixth... because... as I have heard their different stories... and the interagations that have taken place on your show...

Long John Nebel : 1:17:05 Questions sir.

Norman Colton : 1:17:05 ... these men a... I beg your pardon.

Long John Nebel : 1:17:08 Questioning sir... I prefer that word.

Norman Colton : 1:17:10 Questioning ceremonies?

Long John Nebel : 1:17:12 Questioning... instead of interagations.

Norman Colton : 1:17:13 Questionings.

Long John Nebel : 1:17:14 I don't know... maybe I'm wrong.

Norman Colton : 1:17:15 Questioning and answerings.

Long John Nebel : 1:17:17 Continue please.

Norman Colton : 1:17:19 These men seem to have diverse interests... and have had diverse experiences... with... dogs and potatoes... one thing and another. You have seen all of these things... and I never have.

Long John Nebel : 1:17:31 The dogs and the potatoes... no sir. Sorry... you're not listening to this show... I've... I saw a rock here that... that somebody claimed was a potato. And as far as the dog... I never saw the dog... I didn't even see the (?) about three hundred and eighty five pound Venusian dog.

Norman Colton : 1:17:47 Well... I'm glad... after many hours of listening and waiting and to know exactly... what this a...

Long John Nebel : 1:17:52 (?) the dog... the dog... the story is not a part of the big five.

Norman Colton : 1:17:56 (?)

Long John Nebel : 1:17:58 That's another man.

Norman Colton : 1:17:59 That's a set up then.

Long John Nebel : 1:17:59 That's right.

Ellery Lanier : 1:18:01 (?)(?)

Norman Colton : 1:18:02 We could go on and on.

Long John Nebel : 1:18:02 I... I think you know what I... what I'm trying to do right now... a... Norman. I'm trying to get from you... as a director of sales engineering of O.T.C. Enterprises... I am trying to have you go on record... and say that you have... what you consider to be... a... in other words... you feel... that you have something that is legitimate. Something that... that can be accomplished... I mean... not... not just a dream. And if... if you... (?) of yourself... no not (?) I mean... but as... as a... as a director of a corporation. If you tie up... with Van Tassel... and the Dan Fry... and the Menger... and the Adamski stories. It is only natural for people listening to... a... presume that a... that you have a lot of wild tales too. Maybe you have... I don't know.

Norman Colton : 1:19:02 Well... to cut across a lot of corners. If your assumption is that we discolor ourselves by association... as you said before... you had... a legitimate mission... in attending the a... Menger convention...

Long John Nebel : 1:19:17 uh huh... as a reporter.

Norman Colton : 1:19:18 ... other qualified reporters have... a... function in similar missions... at other sessions we've attended. And at which... Mr. Carr appeared on the lecture platform. And regardless of the composition of the live audience... which may have been anywhere from sixty to several thousand people... at any given time and place. The newspapers... radio stations... television reporters... and so on around the counrty. Have... faithfully reported Mr. Carr's statements. He has not made statements... he is not willing to backup. 1:19:59 He has been able successfully to backup every statement he has ever made. And so regardless of the... experiences and opinions... the anecdote or conjectures... the one thing and another... among the various people in these audience groups... Mr. Carr's appearences... before them and among them... have resulted in... very wide publicity... and very serious identification for the principles he has set forth. This has been our... purpose... our mission... and up to... which such time... very largely accomplished... as it's being tonight... where we have this opportunity... to... a... speak to... what I imagine are millions of people... in twenty seven states... your... broadcast signal reaches.

Long John Nebel : 1:20:53 This is... WOR Radio... your station in New York... my name is Long John... we call this... The Party Line. Another a... question Norman. Why is it... that other big corporations... Westinghouse... General Motors... Aerojet Corporation... and I could go on and on and on. When they... manufacture any part... of a rocket... and very frankly... I don't know enough about rocketry to know... what percentage of a rocket... any given company... may manufacture at their plants. But... why is it that... when they run ads... caughs... pardon me... institutional ads in the... slick magazines... and they... they... talk about rocketry in these ads... and they don't say anything about those wonderful people living on the Moon. 1:22:01 Those great Venusians... or those... nice Martians. They try to tell us in the ads... what they are doing to advance rocketry. They try to tell us in these institutional ads... that it will be of value for us to get to the Moon and why. And even the artists have tried to capture... in their drawings... in their paintings. What the Moon my possibly look like. And believe me... all of the artist's conceptions that I have seen... include nothing as far as people... nice or even nasty people. Why is it that O.T.C. Enterprises... and I... and I think that... the president of the company... never stated... on any program... including tonight... that he is receiving telepathic communications from other planets. 1:23:04 I don't think he claims to be a metaphysician or a mystical in that... in that manner. Why is it... that the president of this corporation... O.T.C. Enterprises... so constantly... goes back to saying... we are out to help our fellow man... so we can get to the Moon... and meet the nice people on the Moon. Why is it?

Otis T. Carr : 1:23:25 May I... answer (?)(?)...

Long John Nebel : 1:23:26 Surely Mr. Carr... you're certainly welcome to.

Otis T. Carr : 1:23:28 ... I don't say... to meet the nice people... if there nice people there... I want to meet them. We don't know what is there.

Long John Nebel : 1:23:34 You haven't implied sir... time and time again... that these people... are nice people?

Otis T. Carr : 1:23:40 I... I...

Long John Nebel : 1:23:40 That these people are different... because they've never attempted to attack our planet?

Otis T. Carr : 1:23:45 We... we have not stated in any of our literature... or our public releases... or on the air... or publicly... that we know... that these people exist. We do know there are spacecraft... we have seen them. We do not... know what the personalities are... that run them... we have theories... which we can not prove. There could be people on the Moon... we don't know.

Long John Nebel : 1:24:18 You make the statement this morning... you do not know?

Otis T. Carr : 1:24:20 That's right.

Long John Nebel : 1:24:21 Are there people on Venus?

Otis T. Carr : 1:24:22 There could be.

Long John Nebel : 1:24:24 You don't know this?

Otis T. Carr : 1:24:25 I have not seen any.

Long John Nebel : 1:24:27 Well... we know that you haven't seen any... did you (?)(?). But are you saying sir... then that... at the present time... you don't have full confidence in Van Tassel... Dan Fry... Howard Menger... Adamski... Buck Nelson... etcetera... etcetera... etcetera?

Otis T. Carr : 1:24:42 I didn't say... this... a... these as Mr. Colton has said... to each his own. The one person whom I know... is Mr. Dan Fry. I know that he is making... some of the best... guidance systems there are. And that he is... under contract... to supply such systems to... a... the rocket industry... which in turn is for the United States government. That he is... been trusted in this type of work... of the highest clearance... he's technically qualified. And I have seen his plant. It is turning out... excellent experimental equipment. Rating with any... anywhere I believe. I have no reason... to disbelieve... Mr. Fry.

Long John Nebel : 1:25:31 Are you talking about... Fry... the inventor... Fry the scientist... or Fry the man... that sit in a flying saucer?

Otis T. Carr : 1:25:37 If he says he's been in one... I am willing to believe him.

Norman Colton : 1:25:42 John... a... as the communicator... a... my... I ran...

Long John Nebel : 1:25:48 (?)(?)

Norman Colton : 1:25:49 chuckles... my objective... is to achieve communication... which is... a... common understanding... of a... same thing. Now I don't propose to defend Mr. Carr... because I don't think he needs any defending. I don't propose to... attack or help us... because... I don't think that these are... (?)(?)... to create controversy. We know what we're doing... we don't know what these other people are doing. In regards to these questions of (?) on other planets... well I haven't read the article thoroughly. The current issue of Time Magazine... the science section devotes about two and a half pages... to some... hypothesises which attempt to prove... that a... all the standards of evaluation and deduction... there must be life of one kind or another... as the article puts it... on millions of other planets... in this Universe. So... in... many of the statements that he has made over the years... some of which at the time... may have seemed... a... far fetched... fantastic... futuristic. Day by day... we find that a... Mr. Carr's statements are being... blown out and supported... and proved... by... new knowledge and new facts... learned about the... natural conditions of the Universe.

Long John Nebel : 1:27:21 Mr. Colton... I said... I rest my case... but again... I'm going to have to reopen it. I... I haven't even said anything about Mr. Carr tonight. I am merely asking you Mr. Colton about... Adamski... about Howard Menger... Dan Fry... George Van Tassel... Buck Nelson... and we'll stick with the scientist with the inventor... Dan Fry. Do you honestly think that this man has been in a flying saucer... sir? Not asking what Mr. Carr thinks... now I'm asking you... Mr. Communicator?

Norman Colton : 1:27:49 I can't think he has... and I can't think he hasn't. I just don't know. I know that he says he has been. And I agree with Mr. Carr...

Long John Nebel : 1:28:00 Supposing...

Norman Colton : 1:28:00 ... that from my knowledge of Mr. Fry's... a... technical background. His abilities... his skills... his status... his profession... and his a... commercial a... activities in which he is producing some of the finest... a... magnetic... measuring devices... control systems... guidance systems... and other... ...

Long John Nebel : 1:28:21 Without... without doing a commercial for Dan Fry... does this make... does this... does this make is so... when the man tells you he's been in a flying saucer? What do you think of me? You think I'm a fairly honest guy?

Norman Colton : 1:28:33 I think you're a... terrific reporter and communicator yourself.

Long John Nebel : 1:28:37 No... I'm... I'm... do you think I'm a fairly honest guy? Look... I work... for one of the largest stations in the country... WOR. Certainly the... FBI... are not waiting outside... to grab me or anything.

Norman Colton : 1:28:54 (?)

Long John Nebel : 1:28:54 So I must be... a fairly honest guy... if we're going to compare... if we're going to put Dan... you... your... the same standards... that you measure... Dan Fry's honesty. Let me ask you this question. Do you realize... that right at the present time... Mr. Colton... that I am here... only in the physical body... that my astro-body is in Newark New Jersey. Would you believe you that sir... if I told you that with a straight face?

Norman Colton : 1:29:24 I would believe in the possibility of it... yes.

Long John Nebel : 1:29:29 There is a little doubt in your mind though?

Norman Colton : 1:29:32 There is a little doubt in all of our minds.

Long John Nebel : 1:29:35 uh huh. Would you say then sir that... if I constantly reported this experience of astroly projecting myself... and you've had the opportunity of being around with me a few times... and I've offered you no conclusive proof of this. In other words... if you say... well John... this is fine... I believe you. Where are you projected at the present time? And I say... I'm in front of one nine one... Market Steet in Newark New Jersey. And a... you get on the phone... and you find the phone number of a... the candy store or whatever is a... is adjacent to... or rather... whatever is located at... one nine one Market Street. And you say... is there a fellow standing there? And there is no sign of me... and I tell you... look... I'm lifting up a Hershey bar... at the present time. The woman who owns the candy store... it will appear to her... that the Hershey bar is being levitated... and she says...

Norman Colton : 1:30:28 laughs...

Long John Nebel : 1:30:28 ... nothing is happen there. Now if I kept telling you this... and you go back... to Balwin (sp)... and you say... I think this guy... Long John... I think he is really nuts... or he's a liar. Would you want to do business with me sir?

Norman Colton : 1:30:41 Well... I would say... that if you'd... continually made statements of this kind... and if the management of WOR... kept you... continually on its air. And the sponsors... would make your program possible... continued to pay your bills. Then... I would consider... that there was... rather good possibility... that what you were saying... was more true that false.

Long John Nebel : 1:31:05 Boss... if you're listening... I'm not astroly projected...

Norman Colton : 1:31:08 laughs...

Long John Nebel : 1:31:08 ... I'm here with the actual and the physical body... I'm giving you a hundred percent tonight...

Lester del Rey : 1:31:13 I answer to that sometime.

Long John Nebel : 1:31:14 Did you listen to...?

They are the people
who when
we say in
our headlines The Third Electrical Age
will immediately have a proper concept of the bigness of this enterprise. It is as though alternating current itself were being reintroduced. And to get a picture in your imagination of of the scope of the new bases for all industry and commerce. Just think of it in terms of the alternating current a system being reintroduced in another form which does not use conventional fuels for prime motivation. We use the free abundant space forces as the prime mover for these energy systems and these propulsion power packages.
We're dealing with miniaturizations of space forms and space forces. To get practical applications of energies for mechanical motion
and for transportation.
Our flight to the Moon will demonstrate that man is able to leave the Earth gravity field and successfully enter Space.
And so here we have a craft which if you look at it as I did when Mr. Carr first exposed it to me.
In itself appears to be a miniature Solar System. With its Sun at the center and the planets and the moons in a certain relationship surrounding it. And so it behaves like a miniature Solar System. And generates and miniaturizes the natural available space forces which move the planets and moons in the Solar System.
Otis T. Carr
trained by
Nikola Tesla

I doubt Carr came up
with space forces
on his own.
I've sat up many a night listening to your very interesting dialog with Mr. Menger.
Mr. Carr's statements.
He has not made statements he is not willing to backup.
He has been able successfully to backup every statement he has ever made.
We do know there are spacecraft we have seen them. We do not know what the personalities are that run them we have theories which we can not prove. There could be people on the Moon we don't know.
Are there people on Venus?
There could be.

Lester del Rey : 1:31:16 I was listening to part of it... in the car coming in John.

Long John Nebel : 1:31:18 uh huh.

Lester del Rey : 1:31:20 I wouldn't say that I am... (?) on everything that has happened. Because there are bridges and tunnels in other things... but a... I got most of if it I think.

Long John Nebel : 1:31:28 You mean to tell me... that when I... am on the air... that you would even go through a tunnel. To loose... one single word... of this interesting show?

Lester del Rey : 1:31:39 John... normally I wouldn't... but my levitator wasn't working.

Long John Nebel : 1:31:42 Go over it... right. laughs. Les... could possibly... you'd like to a... ask our guests a couple of questions. Either... Mr. Carr or Mr. Colton?

Lester del Rey : 1:31:51 Well... I don't know that whom this should be addressed... but I heard... one of the gentleman... I think it was... Mr. Carr. Saying something about... a million and a half dollars... for the actual cost of the a... ship. And I believe that... this... the rest of this... twenty million... originally needed... was for the tooling up... the buildings and other things... am I correct on that?

Otis T. Carr : 1:32:11 That is right.

Lester del Rey : 1:32:13 This frankly stricks me as a little strange. I was working in an aircraft plant. The housing in which we were... the entire building... cost like... a little less than... thirty five thousand dollars. The tools cost... about a hundred and twenty thousand. There were a good deal... a... more valuable than... what they were in. One of the planes... and this was an experimental one... on which I was working. Was... cost... was going to cost a good deal more than two million dollars. In other words... you might say... that under two hundred thousand dollars... is needed to build a two hundred... a two million dollar plane. The first one. And this is a highly experimental one. 1:32:51 There was a great deal more... work required on it... than there was on an ordinary plane. It was all built there... unlike most of the planes that we built. In other words... there were no subcontractor... at the time of any... any importance... except the normal ones for... bolts... screws... and all... other lay... lay parts. It seems to me... that if you are... so eager to get this a... Circular Foil Spacecraft... up. That... rather than... wasting time... which would seem to me... on a... fancy plant... and on... special tools and so on... that you would go ahead... and put it up... in anything you could find. And... and use practically... every dollar that you could rake up... in building this... the testing. Now a... can you explain why this... does not seem to be so?

Otis T. Carr : 1:33:39 We're moving in this direction very fast... if you will notice the... fabricated model here. Is made by a qualified engineer... tool designer and a... a... a... a college graduate. He is a high priced... high qualified man. I am confident... that patterns were made even in your plant. If you didn't make them... were you speaking about... you bought them. We are moving... with as much repetitive as possible. To... build... the operational prototype... flying model... which will be an exact replica... of the craft... that we will take... on our journey to the Moon. We mentioned our program... which sounded ambitious to a lot of people... but a... compared to what has been... spend in missiles... is... only a drop in the bucket. As something to introduce a new age... the Third Electrical Age. This includes six buildings at... Space Research Institute... at Space Maryland. This is a prototype. All of the buildings are (?) for the world to see. This will be...

Lester del Rey : 1:34:56 Well this is very lovely... but don't you think... that with the a... Russians at the present time... all ahead of us in Space. There was an absolutely crying need for... a... advances on our part... for prestige... if not for accomplishment. To a... to a... bring back some of the reputation we've lost to the world. Which is hurting our commerce... our industry and our government operations. Don't you think... that it would be better to shelf all the... trimmings... all of the nice things... all of the desirable things... all of the a... a... monuments in advance. And a... so far as I know... you have not lifted a man from Space yet. I think it would be better to wait... to build the monument... until after you lifted him.

Otis T. Carr : 1:35:35 We have a very conservative program. We a... move in the direction of its completion. And we are... so far as I know... the only human beings on Earth. And believe me... there are billions behind the others... who have come out and stated... what day they were going... on a journey out into Space. Now... this is accelerated program. And the men who can get twenty billion dollars a year... appropriated... are talking five years from now. We're talking... one year and two weeks from now.

Lester del Rey : 1:36:16 I still don't see... what this has to do... with need for all of the buildings?

Otis T. Carr : 1:36:20 We don't particular say... it has a need for all of the buildings. We say... that the culmination... of our efforts... will be these buildings. So that the whole world... will be able to know... that a new age is here... because we can prove it. And we will have... there... the prototype... in which to do it.

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middle third ends : 1:36:36

We are moving with
as much repetitive as possible. To build the operational prototype flying model which will
be an exact replica of the craft that we will take on our journey to the Moon. We mentioned our program which sounded ambitious to a lot of people but
compared to what has been spend in missiles is only a drop in the bucket. As something to introduce a new age the Third Electrical Age.
We're talking one year and two weeks from now.
a new age is here because we can prove it. And we will have there the prototype in which
to do it.
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