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Otis T. Carr

interview ~ 15 November 1958 ~ last third

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Otis T. Carr : 0:39:08
When I begin to have some success with some of my experiments. We were building the first circular foil models right here in New York City in 1938. And a we come up against some interesting things that had been lead to us or that we were lead into this type of research by the inspiration of Mr. Tesla.
Margaret Storm : 0:35:42 May 1959 Part 1 Mr. Carr told me that some time ago that he said when this craft the OTC X-1 is built
he said of course it will be nothing but an
old tin lizzy... because it will be so old fashion.
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Otis T. Carr : 0:00:12 Because all of the power tools... that we need there... air conditioning and everything else... will be run... by our electrical principle... gravity. There will be no fuel used.

Ben Isquith : 0:00:24 That sounds...

Lester del Rey : 0:00:26 I wink at the idea that gravity... was an electrical principle. I wink at that... almost as hard as I do... at the use of four dimension... as Mr. Carr had uses it without... a... the final one (?) by dimension. Now in mathematics... a dimension can be almost anything. It is any parameter that you choose to use for that particular operation. Therefore you may refer to weight as a dimension. This does not mean... that it has dimensional extention in the sense that the ordinary person understands that. But a... without a defination of what is meant by that. It... it has a high flung... almost scientistic quality about it. And I (?) to use a certain... term. To say that... gravity is electrical. Without a... a... much more complete explanation... of the... relationship... that (?) it. How you arrive at the idea... that it is electrical. Is... is... (?).

Otis T. Carr : 0:01:21 We a... didn't exactly state... that it was electrical. Although electromagnetism... and gravity are interchangable. But we did state... that we are going to utilize gravity... as the prime mover... to produce electromotive force... with standard alternators and generators. And this gravity which is a universal power... will continue to be so... as long as this planet... exists... or other systems exist. It's free... and available. And can be put to use. And we have found out how to do it. So that... the Space Research Institute... at Space Maryland... will be a prototype. A plant that is run... by an abundance of elelctricity... at a production cost... lower than any in history to date. Unless you have a continuous wind power... which would be comparable.

Lester del Rey : 0:02:22 Well... now just a second. Magnetism... is a force which... also exists... generally... and which transfers to electricity. But in order to generate electricity... with magnets. In other words... by rotating... a loop through a magnetic field. You have to put power in. You don't have to get it simply by rotating it... the more energy you get out... the more power you have to put in... in the rotation of it.

Otis T. Carr : 0:02:46 Exactly.

Lester del Rey : 0:02:47 Well... then why will this not apply to... if possible... through the... duration of energy... from a (?) field?

Otis T. Carr : 0:02:54 The... the amount... that you weigh... to take this amount of energy... to lift you. Free energy... can be... equated in this sense... that if a man weighs two hundred pounds... another man weighs a hundred pounds... and if he extends a little bit farther out... on a lever... he can lift. This man who weighs two hundred pounds... with his hundred pounds... he has gained himself... a hundred pounds of free energy.

Lester del Rey : 0:03:26 Not at all... not at all. Because he has to move twice as far... in order to lift twice as much. It's the old principle of a lever.

Otis T. Carr : 0:03:30 Well... he can be placed there... I know... he can be placed there.

Lester del Rey : 0:03:34 No... no... no... no... in order to do... the lifting. If a man at the end of a lever... lifts another man... with a mechanical advantage of two to one. It is necessary for him to move twice as far... as... the man he moves out. In order to equalize the difference in the weight. This is not any free energy... this is a... strict mechanical exchange. It's like a transformer.

Otis T. Carr : 0:03:56 If he was placed there it would be.

Lester del Rey : 0:04:00 If he were placed there... if he was born there... if he a... levitated there... or he got there any other way. The basic principles... of a lever remain the same. As a matter a fact... they was thoroughly understood by the Greeks.

Otis T. Carr : 0:04:10 Right... Archimedes said... give me a lever and I'll move the Earth... or the World.

Lester del Rey : 0:04:14 Well... Archimedes could overlook the effect of friction and several other things... and a... he was a... a little optimistic...

Otis T. Carr : 0:04:20 We have been able to apply... the... pressure enthalpy of gravity... heed the motion to produce... a prime mover... which in itself... will not only... run many other mechanical mediums... but... is an excellent prime mover... for alternators and generators... the period of everything we know... being used on this planet today.

Lester del Rey : 0:04:48 Do you have this machine working?

Otis T. Carr : 0:04:49 We have put this machine through many tests... over long periods of time... and successfully... checked it out.

Lester del Rey : 0:04:59 You... you have demonstrated this (?)?

Otis T. Carr : 0:05:00 We have a... sufficiently demonstrated this... that there isn't any question at all... about the time of our conception... and the fact that it works.

Lester del Rey : 0:05:12 Well... Mr. Carr... in that case... I... I would think it would be far more... a... profitable... for you to bring... a working example of that... up here... and... and demonstrate it. Than a... a mock-up... of the a... Circular Foil... a spacecraft... which is not inclined position. In one case... you'll be able to prove your theories... at least to the satisfaction of the... panel members here... and to John I'm sure. And a... you would receive a great deal of attention for that. This way... you do not receive as much... because you are not demonstrating... an effective thing... but only a... plan.

Otis T. Carr : 0:05:47 We have to crawl... before we can walk. The history of convention... is usually one of disappointment. Mr. Tesla... whom we call... Tesla... and will continue to do so... this is a way engrained into our memory. Had well over twelve hundred inventions. Which... I would say that... at least eleven hundred of them... he never saw... come into being... even though he lived... to be in his eighty years old... well over. Television... radar... a... remote control guidance systems. All of these things... that a... the world was not ready for... and therefore... the world would not accept.

Lester del Rey : 0:06:37 Now wait a minute. The world was not ready for... or the technology and the time were incapable of producing and effective form?

Otis T. Carr : 0:06:43 That's right. The same thing.

Lester del Rey : 0:06:45 No. In one case you're impling a psychological block. And the other case... you're saying... that the machine could not be built in it's proper form yet.

Norman Colton : 0:06:51 Lester... you're drilling a... rather glibly... and what I would characterize as lot of semantics. ... ... ...

Lester del Rey : 0:06:57 No... I read your point. I've read your literature... and that is my biggest objection. We're not dealing on... a semantics... that have... a... almost no roots.

Norman Colton : 0:07:03 If you just give me a... one minute... of the five or six I have...

Lester del Rey : 0:07:07 All right...

Norman Colton : 0:07:07 ... left to you...

Lester del Rey : 0:07:08 ... fair enough.

Norman Colton : 0:07:08 ... I'll... meet (?)(?). Most of what you have said... and hypothecated... just evaporates when you... have to acknowledge... that... as Mr. Carr said... many times... nobody gets up in the morning and gives the Earth a spin. Nobody lites the Sun. These are free energies at work... they are constant. They have been doing the same thing for as long as... man's history knows about. And so... in Mr. Carr's systems... he has miniaturized... these motions and forces. And thus produced free energy... which he has yet to see demonstrated. But a... if you base your assumption... of no accomplishment... on the fact of yesterday's knowledge... and you have to assume... no advancement... no development of new technologies. Naturally you are likely to be skeptical... of things you do not already know... and have not seen demonstrated. So... lets not assume... that a static condition must prevail... where in we... base measurements... on... things that are standing still... when we know we are in a dynamic universal system.

Lester del Rey : 0:08:27 Oh I agree completely. That is why... I... I do not want to base it upon anything... I want a demonstration. I want a chance to see something operate... and not the air about the pretty principles.

Otis T. Carr : 0:08:37 I think you're a... may I just say this... that I think you're absolutely correct. If we move toward demonstration... we are much further advanced than... than a... a few months ago. But I can go back to history... to know that Mr. Tesla... Mr. Tesla... demonstrated alternating current motor... for seven years. And that he was stopped at every turn...

Lester del Rey : 0:09:03 This I know...

Otis T. Carr : 0:09:04 And I know this... that if I was to weekly... demonstrate these principles... that took so many years to develop... that they could very easily be ridiculed... or laughted out of existence. I assure you that they are not going to be. I assure you that in the year 1959...

Lester del Rey : 0:09:24 Caughs

Otis T. Carr : 0:09:24 ... which is only just a short time away. The world will see full demonstration... not just any selected group of individuals... but every person on this planet... will know about the Moon. There is no strategic value in what we have at all. Because... the enemy... if there is such a thing... as well as a friend... will know about it. Now when we are ready to make this public... this we will do. And I'm certain is... no one will be... excluded from seeing... what we state to be true... what we prove to be true... and what... nobody has been able to prove... that we don't have. We just are in a position... where when we do do it... I assure you... it will not be put on the shelf... for some later date.

Lester del Rey : 0:10:23 Well... Mr. Carr... I'd like to get back to you in a second... but first I'd like to talk to Mr. Colton. Norman... you said that... the fact that the Earth goes on spinning... and the Sun goes on operating... indicate free energy. In a sense... the Sun does... although you've got to remember in doing so... matter is destroyed... but the spinning of the Earth.

Norman Colton : 0:10:42 Let me ask you this matter is destroyed... if you are saying that the... so called a... laws of a... conservation of matter... matter and energy has been revoked... sometimes...

Lester del Rey : 0:10:55 No... no... matter is being destroyed... in order that energy could be produced.

Norman Colton : 0:11:00 You say dogmatically... that matter is destroyed... we say that matter... is transmuted.

Lester del Rey : 0:11:06 All right... it makes no difference. Matter is destroyed and the formula should exist... and appears in another form.

Norman Colton : 0:11:10 Well...

Lester del Rey : 0:11:11 A certain amount of mass... disappears.

Norman Colton : 0:11:13 In communication... all we have... is what we call semantics. Though I like to get common definations and understandings of terms. So if it is destroyed... say it's destroyed...if it's not destroyed... say it is transmuted.

Lester del Rey : 0:11:26 No. I said a certain amount of mass disappears. There for the mass... is a measure of matter.

Norman Colton : 0:11:30 The energy appears.

Lester del Rey : 0:11:32 Is... is destroyed... and energy appears.

Norman Colton : 0:11:34 Which is equivalent... to the... what has been the mass.

Lester del Rey : 0:11:36 That's right... we'd have an equivanlent to what has been the mass... and therefore... no change has been produced... effectively. As far as the spin of the Earth is concerned... that does not require energy... it would require energy to slow it... rather than to... a... fly it. On the other hand... if you started tapping that... if you could conceveibly put a belt around the Earth... and try to run an engine off of it. You would find... that the Earth would have to slow down... to release the energy... required for your other machinery. You do not get something for nothing here. All you have... is a... simple application of one of Newton... laws of... of motion. The fact that an object in motion... and this includes... rotational motion... will remain... in motion... unless acted on... by an outside force. Now this... this does not give you free energy. This... this does not establish the fact that a... machinery... a... can operate... without energy supply. There must be some form of energy supplied. Now... unless you found a way of tapping an energy.

Norman Colton : 0:12:34 Have you ever seen a... dynamo... or an alternator... or a motor... where... the... assembly of elements... called a... communator... rotated in one direction... and the assembly of elements... called a... field... rotated in another direction?

Lester del Rey : 0:12:53 Yes... I've seen one of those.

Norman Colton : 0:12:53 You've seen that. Have you also seen... similar devices... where the... field was bolted down...

Lester del Rey : 0:13:00 Certainly.

Norman Colton : 0:13:00 ... and not permitted to turn?

Lester del Rey : 0:13:01 Certainly.

Norman Colton : 0:13:02 Well... then you see here... in Mr. Carr's... electrogravitational propulsion system... a device in which... both the... action of the electro impulse...

Lester del Rey : 0:13:15 Which is?

Norman Colton : 0:13:16 ... and also... the reaction. So that... you have... a much more efficient... energy system... than in a system... where the field is... bolted down. So that as the... center disk rotates... clockwise... you see the... disk containing the field magnets and coils... rotating counter clockwise. So that you have a motor... here... of at least... double the efficiency... of motor with its field... bolted down.

Lester del Rey : 0:13:47 Not at all. It is not double the efficiency. On a motor... which operates... a... on that way... would not necessarily be double the efficiency... because if the original... can be built... a hundred percent efficiency... efficient... I mean... if I... a single rotation would be a hundred percent efficient... certainly a double rotating one... would not be... two hundred percent efficient.

Norman Colton : 0:14:03 Well... a single rotation can't be...

Lester del Rey : 0:14:05 No it can not.

Norman Colton : 0:14:05 ... because you set up... the friction... and resistance of electrical eddy current... and so on. ... ... ...

Lester del Rey : 0:14:11 Let me ask you this... would then (?)(?) can be... two hundred... more than one hundred percent... efficient?

Norman Colton : 0:14:19 I don't know that I could interpret that question... a... one hundred percent... is a whole thing.

Lester del Rey : 0:14:23 Would it produce more energy that was put into it?

Otis T. Carr : 0:14:27 I can answer this... yes.

Norman Colton : 0:14:28 Yes... it's true.

Lester del Rey : 0:14:30 Where would that energy come from?

Otis T. Carr : 0:14:31 It comes from Space itself. This is the natural Space Force Energy. In other words... this craft... the forty-five foot craft... that we'll take to the Moon. Will weigh approximately... thirty thousand pounds. When these two rotational forces... reach their relative velocity of rotation... this entire craft will become airborne... and as light as a feather... as relates to gravity. This additional energy... over its function.

Lester del Rey : 0:15:03 You say it will. You are offering to demonstrate it in a year. But mean time... all you have said is that... when it happens...
it happens. You have not said... where the energy comes from. You said... it comes from Space itself.

Otis T. Carr : 0:15:15 Right.

Lester del Rey : 0:15:16 What is Space itself? Now there are... is energy in Space? But that energy comes... from the... various radiations... and other forces traveling through it. Some of which can be tapped... but none of which are of sufficient concentration for... easy tapping.

Norman Colton : 0:15:29 Well... let me give you a little physical demonstration of it... and you tell me what happens.

Lester del Rey : 0:15:33 All right.

Norman Colton : 0:15:33 I'll show you that it... just happens. Here is a... small... what we call... a permanent magnet.

Lester del Rey : 0:15:40 Yes.

Norman Colton : 0:15:41 I'm not putting any... energy into it... a... as far as I know... I'm not taking any out of it. I arrange the... a... poles... of these two magnets... in a certain way... and they are mutually attracted. You see them traveling though space... and I'm not putting any... any energy into it... to make them travel.

Lester del Rey : 0:16:00 I beg your pardon... you are...

Norman Colton : 0:16:01 (?)(?)

Lester del Rey : 0:16:02 ... you are. The moment you pull them apart... you are supplying... the potential energy... of... for... their kinetic movement later.

Norman Colton : 0:16:07 And space puts them back together again.

Lester del Rey : 0:16:09 No... not space. There is... a... that's just plain magnetism...that pulls them apart. You give them the energy to return... when you pull them apart. You actual supply energy.

Norman Colton : 0:16:16 You forget a natural phenomenon... by saying...

Lester del Rey : 0:16:19 No... (?)(?)

Norman Colton : 0:16:20 ... it's just plain magnetism...

Lester del Rey : 0:16:22 No... I'm not installing it.

Norman Colton : 0:16:22 ... but what is it?

Lester del Rey : 0:16:23 I'm simply telling you what any physicist knows. That the energy that they have... which pulls them back together... is supplied... when you pull them apart. You have to put work into the operation of separating them. That is... that is the work or energy... that goes into (?) each other.

Norman Colton : 0:16:41 ...

Lester del Rey : 0:16:41 There... is no... mystery to that at all.

Norman Colton : 0:16:45 Now we...

Lester del Rey : 0:16:46 In other words...

Norman Colton : 0:16:47 ... these two magnets in such a way... that their... like poles are facing. And they... push each other apart. In that case... I am not pulling them...

Lester del Rey : 0:16:59 In order to make it work... work twice... you have to (?)... you do. They will not continue to do so... they will not continue to attract or repell.

Norman Colton : 0:17:05 Lets deal with the once of it.

Lester del Rey : 0:17:07 Oh no. Lets not. You can... you can have a... a... kinetic situation... a potential situation. Just as if you lift a ball off the floor... to a height of three feet... and drop it... the potential energy then becomes kinetic. And... and it will drop to the floor. It will not however... keep rising and dropping to the floor by itself... you have to pick it up again.

Norman Colton : 0:17:28 You're evading my question.

Lester del Rey : 0:17:30 I am not evading my... your question sir.

Norman Colton : 0:17:31 What is the force... that pushes these two magnets apart... and which pulls them together... with them touching?

Lester del Rey : 0:17:38 It is... magnetism... (?)(?)... (?)(?) molecules... a magnetic field with in the molecules

Norman Colton : 0:17:45 (?)(?)(?) imagine.

Lester del Rey : 0:17:45 Somebody did. Somebody did.

Norman Colton : 0:17:50 Well... lets look at...

Lester del Rey : 0:17:50 Somebody did... that's want a magnet is.

Norman Colton : 0:17:52 Well... lets look out beyond this table a little way where... a... somebody as you say... has not lined up the Earth and the Moon. In such a way... that the... stright mass and weight of ocean water... lifts and falls... each time the Moon... achieves a certain relationship...

Lester del Rey : 0:18:14 The tides.

Norman Colton : 0:18:14 ... to the Earth.

Lester del Rey : 0:18:15 In other words.

Norman Colton : 0:18:16 Well... what you call the tides... is the...

Lester del Rey : 0:18:20 The product of the Moon pull on the Earth.

Norman Colton : 0:18:22 Visual... a... recession... and accession of the water to the land... as the water itself... lifts and falls. These tides occur... equally... identically and oppositely... on all the shores that surround a body of water. They go out at all the shores... they go in...

Lester del Rey : 0:18:48 Simultaneously?

Norman Colton : 0:18:49 ... at all the shores. Simultaneously.

Lester del Rey : 0:18:50 No sir... that is not correct. That is definitely not correct... and that why they have to keep local sight tables everywhere.

Norman Colton : 0:18:54 Well... let say there is... relatively simultaneously.

Lester del Rey : 0:18:57 No sir. No sir. They follow the a...

Norman Colton : 0:19:00 Running path.

Lester del Rey : 0:19:00 That's right

Norman Colton : 0:19:01 That's correct... right... so it's like a swelling effect.

Lester del Rey : 0:19:04 No sir. It's like a... a... movement... not a swelling. One place it lifts... another place if falls.

Norman Colton : 0:19:13 Well... everything that lifts... falls.

Lester del Rey : 0:19:15 No. The... amount... the... average height of the water remains the same.

Norman Colton : 0:19:18 Well... what your saying now... that water doesn't seek its own level.

Lester del Rey : 0:19:20 No sir. I am saying that when a... there is sufficient pull... a... it naturally responds to it. And as a matter of fact... no scientist ever said... that water sought its own level. Because if you put it in a capillary tube... you will find... that it has a curvature at the top.

Norman Colton : 0:19:36 Well... we're getting far away from...

Lester del Rey : 0:19:38 You are trying to get a... far away... by bringing up... a very old... principle of magnetism... which any high school physicist has to learn... and has to understand to some extent. This does not supply energy... and neither does the Moon supply energy... or the... except for this. The tides do require a certain amount of energy. Is does not supply energy... a certain amount of energy is required. And in return for that... the motion of the Moon and the Earth are effected by a slight tendency to slow down over a long period of time... enough to make up for the energy required for lifting a... the tides... and letting them drop again.

Norman Colton : 0:20:11 (?)(?)

Lester del Rey : 0:20:11 There is no... creation of free energy there at all.

Norman Colton : 0:20:14 To sum up what you're saying... the Earth supplies no energy... the ocean tides supply no energy... the Moon supplies no energy... and yet... we continue to find... that the Moon orbits... the Earth... the Earth rotates... the Earth and the Moon... orbit the Sun...

Lester del Rey : 0:20:29 That... that

Norman Colton : 0:20:29 ... the tides rise and fall.

Lester del Rey : 0:20:30 ...requires no energy. It would require energy for them to stop.

Norman Colton : 0:20:34 Well... regardless of what you call it...

Lester del Rey : 0:20:35 Mr. Colton...

Norman Colton : 0:20:36 ... Mr. Carr...

Lester del Rey : 0:20:36 ... have you ever studied any physics?

Norman Colton : 0:20:38 Excuse me. No.

Lester del Rey : 0:20:39 I (?).

Norman Colton : 0:20:39 Mr. Carr has miniaturized... the... movements and relative forces... into mechanical machines that produce similar motions and energies...

Lester del Rey : 0:20:50 Mr. Colton... may I interrupt here?

Norman Colton : 0:20:50 ... and we are about to make use of them in commerce and industry.

Lester del Rey : 0:20:51 May I interrupt here? There is a thing called an... orrery. Which is... a perfect duplication in miniature... of the motion of the Earth... and the planet... a... the Moon... and the planets... and the Sun... and so on. And it certainly doesn't produce energy... you have to put energy into it. Now... his machine... is hardly a... a... a more perfect duplication or nearly perfect if you want to be dramatic with duplication... then this very common demonstrating machine. And frankly I can see that a... that... it should therefore... not have as... as good... an efficiency... from your description. You have brought up the subject of semantics... and yet... so far as I can find out... you have no conception of a (?) (?) (?) whatsoever.

was that a snipe tape?
all of the power tools
that we need there air conditioning and everything else
will be run by our electrical principle gravity. There will be no fuel used.
we are going to utilize gravity as the prime mover to produce electromotive force with standard alternators and generators. And this gravity which is a universal power will continue to be so as long as this planet exists or other systems exist. It's free and available. And can be put to use. And
we have found out how
to do it.
We have been able
to apply the pressure enthalpy of gravity.
We have put this machine through many tests over long periods of time
and successfully
checked it out.
Mr. Tesla... Had well over twelve hundred inventions. Which I would say that at least eleven hundred of them he never saw come into being even though he lived to be in his eighty years old well over. Television radar remote control guidance systems. All of these things the world was not ready for and therefore the world would not accept.
as Mr. Carr said many times nobody gets up in the morning and gives the Earth a spin. Nobody lites the Sun. These are free energies at work they are constant. They have been doing the same thing for as long as man's history knows about. And so
in Mr. Carr's systems
he has miniaturized these motions and forces.
And thus produced free energy...
But I can go back to history to know that
Mr. Tesla demonstrated alternating current motor for seven years. And that he was stopped at every turn.
if I was to weekly demonstrate these principles that took so many years to develop that they could very easily be ridiculed or laughted out of existence. I assure you that they are not going to be.
what we state to be true what we prove to be true and what nobody has been able to prove that we don't have. We just are in a position where when we do do it I assure you it will not be put on the shelf for some later date.
It was put on the shelf. Carr's group... separated.

Too bad they didn't get hundreds of model kits
into the public's hands.

As... for some later date. The date is now.

Waste no time...
build what Tesla taught Carr to build.

There must be some
form of energy supplied. Now...
unless you found a way of tapping an energy.
Have you ever seen a dynamo or an alternator or a motor where the assembly of elements called a communator rotated in one direction and the assembly of elements called a field rotated in another direction?
0:13:02 Well then
you see here in Mr. Carr's electrogravitational propulsion system a
device in which both
the action of the electro impulse and also the reaction.
So that you have a much more efficient energy system than in a system where the field is bolted down. So that as the center disk rotates clockwise you see the disk containing the field magnets and coils rotating counter clockwise.
Where would that energy come from?
It comes from Space itself. This is the natural Space Force Energy. In other words this craft the forty-five foot craft that we'll take to the Moon. Will weigh approximately thirty thousand pounds. When these two rotational forces reach their relative velocity of rotation this entire craft will become airborne and as light as a feather as relates to gravity. This additional energy over its function.
this
entire craft
will become airborne
Mr. Carr has miniaturized the movements and relative forces into mechanical machines that produce similar motions and energies and we are about to make use of them in commerce and industry.
Mr. Carr's systems he has miniaturized these
motions

and
forces
and thus
produced
free energy

Norman Colton : 0:21:32 This is the... part... of the energy system... around which these other components are built. This is the... inertial source of energy...

Lester del Rey : 0:21:45 Now wait... this has nothing to do with inertia sir.

Norman Colton : 0:21:49 (?)

Lester del Rey : 0:21:49 Inertia... is... is an entirely different thing. Inertia is a resistance of change in motion. Now you work out the semantics... that is what inertia is.

Norman Colton : 0:22:00 Inertia is the beginning of something...

Lester del Rey : 0:22:02 I'm sorry sir. Inertia is a resistance to change. I was a... am I correct Ben?

Ben Isquith : 0:22:07 Right.

Lester del Rey : 0:22:08 These things have been carefully and rigidly defined... and they have to be... in order to work with them. Otherwise you'd get into a semantic mess... that you seem to get into.

Otis T. Carr : 0:22:15 Well... let me tell you this... that Mr. Colton... a... a... did not develop these machines. He has... followed with me... in the... bringing them into being. Now I know... exactly... what makes them work. Because I have seen them work. I'm not at all interested... in anyone's opinion... of why I don't show them... including yours. These... these will be shown. We have publicly made the statement... that they will be. We have put this in writing... and we have... put it through the mail. And we have... brought it to the attention of the leading scientists of this country... particularly those... dealing with the government. We would not make these statements... if they were not correct. Now...

Lester del Rey : 0:23:10 Mr. Carr... he has said... and he have written... but he has not demonstrated.

Otis T. Carr : 0:23:15 We...

Lester del Rey : 0:23:15 I can think of many people who have said... and who have written. I remember the old fashion medicine... You don't have to take my word for it folks... it is right here on the label. I have seen sworn statements...

Otis T. Carr : 0:23:24 I will come right back...

Lester del Rey : 0:23:25 ... it's nothing.

Otis T. Carr : 0:23:26 ... I'll just come right back to this... and say... that demonstration has been made. If we didn't make it to you... that may be your misfortune. But I will tell you this... that you'll read about it.

Lester del Rey : 0:23:40 I do not care to read about it sir.... except by experts... who... names I know... and whose a... work I am familiar with... whose experience I am familiar with. I am necessary forced to to accept authority somewhere along the line. But I prefer to accept only that authority... which I have found to be reliable in the past.

Otis T. Carr : 0:23:58 Well... actually...

somebody 0:23:59 giggles...

Norman Colton : 0:23:59 We're not asking you to accept it...

Lester del Rey : 0:24:01 No?

Norman Colton : 0:24:01 ... we may... a... try to sell you stock... or something. Maybe we'll be obliged... to prove something to you. But until then... you're... just an innocent bystander... and we're going ahead with our commercial development.

Long John Nebel : 0:24:12 Pardon me... may I... get in this for a moment?

Norman Colton : 0:24:15 Come right ahead.

Long John Nebel : 0:24:17 My back is facing my good engineer... Jack Keen. Is is all right... Jack? huh? Okay... I foul... no... no... am I on Jack? Fine. Here is a... telegram from... Claire Noose (sp)... the great actor... the lady is a very charming lady. Dear John... Please ask guests... who really invented Radar? Because during war in England... I drove... what's & what... for British Air Ministry. Please... sorry... apologies. Oh... I'm so sorry. My apologies to the person that sent this telegram. Does anybody know the... name of the gentleman who invented Radar... or... was... this a group of people?

Lester del Rey : 0:25:06 What was... well actually... there was a small group over there in England... are sworn to secrecy... and many of them didn't even know what they were doing. But a... they certainly developed the first commercial radar... and gave it the name... military radar... ya. However the principles... are... after all... basic to the whole idea of... of radio.

Long John Nebel : 0:25:24 Lester del Rey... author of the book entitled... Rockets Through Space is with us tonight. Ellery Lanier... author of the book entitled... A Real Manual of Real Magic.

Ellery Lanier : 0:25:37 A real manual of manual magic.

Long John Nebel : 0:25:39 That's it. Ben Isquith... the cybernetician is
with us this morning. And our good friend... Dave Field... and of course...
Sam Vandivert the photographer. Two gentleman from the O.T.C. Enerprises Incorporated... located in Baltimore Maryland... have been kind enough to stop in and join us... and talk with us. Otis T. Carr... President. And the communicator... Norman Colton. I wonder if you'd be kind enough...
Dave Field... to read a couple of telegrams?

Dave Field : 0:26:09 All right. See if I can find one here that haven't been read.

Long John Nebel : 0:26:17 Anything you say... just use your own judgement... Mr. Field.

Dave Field : 0:26:19 This one is from... Brooklyn New York. What steps has O.T.C. Enterprises taken for insurance protection on their twenty million dollar Moon machine? Pardon my subjective professional curiosity and pragmatism... but we Earth insurance brokers... have difficulty securing insurance coverage on simple Earth automobiles? Al Lockman

Long John Nebel : 0:26:44 Any comment sir?

Otis T. Carr : 0:26:45 Well... the comment I could make. It is very peaceful out in Space... and very little to collide with us. We feel that... once we get outside our atmosphere... we'll be much safer than we would on any... street were automobiles are now on.

Dave Field : 0:27:00 What about meteorites?

Otis T. Carr : 0:27:02 The chances are about one in a million... of colliding with one large enough to cause us trouble.

Dave Field : 0:27:08 Less that that... I think.

Otis T. Carr : 0:27:10 More or less.

Long John Nebel : 0:27:12 Dave Field... would you read another one please.

Dave Field : 0:27:14 All right... from Brooklyn again. Ask Mr. Carr... why he is associated with... A-m-o-r-c... Rosicrucian... which is a metaphysical group... as stated in Margaret Storm's book... when he professes to be a scientist. And this is from... Sal Lipski

Otis T. Carr : 0:27:35 We're very happy to be a member of A-m-o-r-c. Some of the most lustrous people on this planet have been members... this includes... Michael Faraday... a... Benjamin Franklin...

Lester del Rey : 0:27:50 Just a minute Mr. Carr... don't you mean the original (?)... a... that these people were associated with them... rather that the present A-m-o-r-c?

Otis T. Carr : 0:27:58 Well... this cycle of it... but I think the cycle has done broken. There is nothing a... a... mysterious about the mystical... as we have mentioned before... it is a path of learning. It is a very a... happy... wonderful organization. We have found a... much information in there... that is actable to science. Some of the leading scientists on this Earth today are members. And a... we never ourselves... go around publicly speaking about it. But if we are asked... we're very happy to state... that we are a proud member.

Long John Nebel : 0:28:41 You a... mentioned this... Mr. Carr... in answer to that telegram... that there are many... fine people... on this planet that belong.

Otis T. Carr : 0:28:55 This true.

Long John Nebel : 0:28:55 Is there an implication sir... that... people on other planets belong too? Or rather... some other planets?

Otis T. Carr : 0:29:01 There is a good possibility.

Long John Nebel : 0:29:04 In other words... again we're... we're... we're coming back in that circle... that you do believe... that there are people living on these other planets?

Otis T. Carr : 0:29:13 All of my observations on this one... leads me to believe... that a... the other planets... must be occupied by intelligences.

Long John Nebel : 0:29:24 Why?

Otis T. Carr : 0:29:25 Because a... we find that... life itself is indestructible... it just changes form. And a... in as much as there's been much life manifested on this planet over the centuries and the eons of time. Much of it no doubt... is now residing... on some other... in some other area... or some other planet. In the mean time... unquestionably... life must have orginated on... other planets... besides our own. We're looing forward... to the time when... we can probably exhibit the pen that we have worn... for well over a year... which says... interplantary fellowship... that's two words. That we can be a part of it. We're working towards it. The OTC X-1 is most assuredly going to help... bring this about.

Long John Nebel : 0:30:14 Would you want to a... take a moment to talk about that organization that was founded by... Major Aho.

Otis T. Carr : 0:30:22 Major Aho... did not found this... organization of the Interplanetation Fellowship. As far as I know... it isn't an organization. Somebody... I believe in Washington... and I don't recall the name... had these pens made. And a... it's surprising how many thousands of them are now being worn by people... who when they really study it... you can't find anything to argue about. It's interplantary and it's fellowship. I just couldn't find anything wrong with it. But for me... it was a missing link. Why did I want... to go into Space. Why did I want to go to other planets. If there is not fellowship there... maybe we can establish fellowship there. Every way I look at it... it is good. I know of no such organization. I a... believe that a... Major Aho has Washington (?) intelligence.

Long John Nebel : 0:31:13 Weren't you presented with that pen by Major Aho sir?

Otis T. Carr : 0:31:16 Yes... yes indeed. But I have been... presented a... with this pin... by someone else... entirely... never... was not... no association of Mr. Aho. And a... I understand that somebody in Washington... has had them made... and as far as I know... it isn't an organization.

Long John Nebel : 0:31:35 uh huh. Mr. Carr... again... as a scientist... as an inventor... as a pioneer in Space. Don't you think it's a little ridiculous... to constantly tie in... metaphysics... into this subject... sir?

Otis T. Carr : 0:31:55 The defination of metaphysics is a... often times loosely used.

Long John Nebel : 0:32:00 Well... a... a... yeah... if we could use it... the way we use it on the air here... and with the metaphysicians that we have up here... who work with... double and triple pendulum... or meters... or what have you.

Otis T. Carr : 0:32:11 We use no devices of this kind. We do know that there is a... sensitivity... that a... our consciousness hasn't... arrived at. We do know that... there are deaf people on this planet... who know about these sensitivities. We know that... this has been previously... demonstrated on this planet... that man has... much greater potential... then his a... a... ordinary physical sensor. And all of these things... are in a sense... will be science in the future... which now... are classified... often times loosely as... metaphysics.
I think the true scientist... keeps an open mind. When someone sincerely says... this experience happened to me. He does not say... ahhh... it didn't happen to me... therefore it doesn't exist. A true scientist... is a man who is willing... at all times... to possibly explore. Now in our business... in... in the application of these principles... we had the rare good fortune to know doctor Albert Einstein. We had the... the good fortune to know... Mr. Tesla. And we knew that... Mr. Tesla... a... drew... a... we received inspiration from a source... that was... always difficult to define.

Long John Nebel : 0:33:38 You knew this at twenty years of age... sir?

Otis T. Carr : 0:33:41 Absolutely... within a very short period of time. In fact... he and I run an experiment... that proved... that man had much greater qualifications then...

Long John Nebel : 0:33:50 Could you tell us something about this experiment... sir?

Otis T. Carr : 0:33:52 Mr. Tesla said... that we were a primary and electrical machine. That we had so... degenerated our bodies... that we didn't even know how to apply the principles... that were available... if we wanted to put them to work. He said... let us go back to the great master who said... we must be... born again.

Long John Nebel : 0:34:11 Tesla said this to you...

Otis T. Carr : 0:34:12 Yes.

Long John Nebel : 0:34:12 ... a twenty year old boy?

Otis T. Carr : 0:34:13 Twenty one... by this time...

Long John Nebel : 0:34:14 Twenty one... all right...

Otis T. Carr : 0:34:15 ... I've been with him a year. He says... let us go back... and see... what was this great statement... we must be born again... water and the spirit. Well... what is this spirit... the air that we breath. And water... a liquid of the same. Two elements... lets see if we can apply them electrically. What is the human body... but a possible... electrical potential machine. So lets see what we can do with it. So we run a three month experiment. Wherein... no alcohol... no cigaretts... no tobacco... no stimulants of any kind.

Long John Nebel : 0:34:51 Water?

Otis T. Carr : 0:34:52 Water... and plenty of breathing.

Long John Nebel : 0:34:55 You couldn't even exist... if you didn't breath.

Otis T. Carr : 0:34:58 Right. All right. Now... Mr. Tesla also further said... what is the best electrical insulator that we know of. It's porcelain. And what is the best porcelain there is? The teeth. Maybe the teeth weren't made to tear with... as animals. Maybe... these teeth are insulators. Maybe the spoken word... if it had enough electricity behind it... it could be heard around the Earth... and vibration. So... he says... lets see what we can do. He said... maybe... when we have our mouths closed... the circuit is open. And when we open our mouth... the circuit is closed. Positive charges of electricity... come from above... and the negative... from the ground. See we combine these two forces. It was a very interesting experiment... and we got very good results.

Long John Nebel : 0:36:07 What were the results... sir?

Otis T. Carr : 0:36:08 The (?) would be classed as... metaphysical.

Long John Nebel : 0:36:12 uh huh... Well... that would be something difficult for me to understand. May I ask you this Mr. Carr. I think you've been a rather fortunate man... being able to... be associated with Tesla... during the time that he was alive... and a... Einstein... and... I mean... this... this is something... I was just wondering. Have you ever had the opportunity... of kicking this around with... Wernher von Braun?

Otis T. Carr : 0:36:40 Mr. von Braun... unquestionably... is a dedicated man. He...

Long John Nebel : 0:36:45 I had no doubt of that.

Otis T. Carr : 0:36:47 He started... on a... sensible of... quick energy... reaction... rocket principle. The Chinese have known about for centuries. Have abandon... some of them...

Lester del Rey : 0:36:58 No sir. And some have different rocket principles.

Otis T. Carr : 0:37:01 Well... anyway... rockets. And... Newton evaluation the same... and certainly teased a whole lot. He could very easily have... joined the forces in Europe... but he chose America instead. And unquestionably... a... has been a dedicated man... in the rocket field. He'll be the first man to congratulate us... when he sees our craft arrive... with this entirely different principle... from which he has spent a lifetime on.

Long John Nebel : 0:37:36 Will he be the first man to congratulate you?

Otis T. Carr : 0:37:38 I believe so... yes.

Long John Nebel : 0:37:39 You mean... he'll be at... he'll be out at the Moon... when you get there... or what?

Otis T. Carr : 0:37:42 Well... a... a...

Long John Nebel : 0:37:43 You mean... he will congratulate you at... Space Maryland?

Otis T. Carr : 0:37:45 That's right.

Long John Nebel : 0:37:46 yeah... I see.

Otis T. Carr : 0:37:46 We feel this. We honestly feel... that he is a dedicated scientist.

Long John Nebel : 0:37:50 So... that wasn't my question sir. My question again if I may repeat it... Mr. Carr. You had the pleasure of talking and associating with... many great scientists. And a... I was not a... aware of the fact that a... a... Tesla was interested in... metaphysical subject. However...

Otis T. Carr : 0:38:12 He didn't consider them metaphysical.

Long John Nebel : 0:38:14 Oh... he didn't?

Otis T. Carr : 0:38:15 No.

Long John Nebel : 0:38:15 Oh I see. This is a recent label?

Otis T. Carr : 0:38:20 I said... what results we had... would maybe considered... metaphysical.

Long John Nebel : 0:38:24 I see... all right. What about... Wernher von Braun? Have you ever had the chance of sitting down... and cutting a few jackpots with him?

Otis T. Carr : 0:38:33 None whatsoever.

Long John Nebel : 0:38:35 Ben... you had a... question? And I want to give Lester a chance.

Ben Isquith : 0:38:36 Yeah... I was... I was... I was interested Mr. Carr... you said... a... you knew... Doctor Albert Einstein?

Otis T. Carr : 0:38:43 Yes... indeed.

Ben Isquith : 0:38:43 This is an association that... continued over some length of time?

Otis T. Carr : 0:38:46 We started with... correspondence... and he was kind enough... to give me an interview. And a...

Ben Isquith : 0:38:53 I... I don't... a... I don't maybe it's just (?) on my part... but... I mean... I... I once met a... doctor Albert Einstein... and spoke with him for about ten... ten or twenty minutes. I was...

Otis T. Carr : 0:39:03 About the length of my interview.

Ben Isquith : 0:39:05 Well... I would never say I knew him.

Otis T. Carr : 0:39:08 Well... I always felt like I did. Because a... having followed... so much of his... writings... and having been... so much in agreement... particularly with his a... feelings about humanity... his philosophy. That a... somehow or other... he didn't feel like a stranger to me. So... when I... begin to... have some success... with some of my experiments. We were building... the first circular foil models... right here in New York City... in 1938. And a... we come up against some interesting things... that had been lead to us... or that we were lead into... this type of research... by... the inspiration of Mr. Tesla. Before We started to correspond with the good doctor... and a... he was very patient... when we told him... we were trying to build a spaceship. And he gave us a clue... that has stayed with us... and has made us possible... to now know... the success is here. He said... it was impossible for a man... to go out into Space... and return... unless he's carrying his own force field with him. And a... I had never given this a thought... previously.

Ben Isquith : 0:40:26 Einstein said this?

Otis T. Carr : 0:40:27 Absolutely. And this was... I would say... thirty-nine... or forty... I don't remember when.

Ben Isquith : 0:40:33 Didn't Tesla say something very similar to this?

Otis T. Carr : 0:40:35 Well... he never said to me. All he ever said to me was... you have to have... electricity.

Ben Isquith : 0:40:40 Didn't he say something like... you need a... you need a... free universal source of energy?

Otis T. Carr : 0:40:45 That's right... electricity. But the doctor was talking about something else... something to protect... the ship... against friction.

Ben Isquith : 0:40:52 I see. I wanted to ask you about this... part of... part of the literature that we have here... (?)(?)(?). Information bulletin number three... December 23rd 1957. Where it is a... both... in... talking about the scientific verification... of the principles of the... Circular Foil Spacecraft. And you describe... what the principles of it are. And in a sentence here that... a... infringements... that these statements... in evaluation of natural physical phenomenon... at first discern and made public... when Mr. Carr... had been physically tested in laboratory experiment by... an impartial scientific laboratory. Are you at liberty... to give the name of that laboratory?

Otis T. Carr : 0:41:44 I think so. What happened is... that a... when our literaure was released... this a... technical firm was building data evaluation equipment... under subcontract... (?) missiles and so forth... to run a test. Predicated... to... from... our statements. And they verified this test and wrote us... and were quite excited about it. They're in California... and they voluntarily... wrote us... to tell us... that they had tested out this principle... and found it to be correct. We were very happy. We went... and had interviews of them. Started collaboration. That might well have ended up in... them building the first OTC X-1... but it did not materialize.

Ben Isquith : 0:42:29 Are... are you at liberty to give the name of the laboratory?

Otis T. Carr : 0:42:32 Mr. Colton handled these details... I'll leave it up to him... he is the man that...

Norman Colton : 0:42:37 Yes... it's the a... Electromation Company... of Santa Monica California.

Ben Isquith : 0:42:42 Electromation?

Norman Colton : 0:42:43 Yes sir... they're the people who... I understand have originated... such things as... the... device known as the... Semanticindicorrelator... manufactured by such a... people as... Bendex Aviation Corporation... and...

Ben Isquith : 0:42:58 That sounds fascinating... what is this... what is this (?) Mr. Carr?

Norman Colton : 0:43:01 Well... that your cybernetics a... machine... that a...

Ben Isquith : 0:43:04 You know any...

Norman Colton : 0:43:05 ... the figures comes out... and give answers and control... devices of other kinds.

Ben Isquith : 0:43:10 But... I mean... how did you get to bring... simantics into correlators?

Norman Colton : 0:43:13 Well...

Ben Isquith : 0:43:13 It sounds like... a great name.

Norman Colton : 0:43:13 (?)(?)

Otis T. Carr : 0:43:15 May I... introduce something here. I don't know anything about it... but they were so happy... and were (?) it to me... they actually called it... a thinking machine. This machine... instead of...

Ben Isquith : 0:43:26 You mean like... simantics into correlators?

Otis T. Carr : 0:43:27 Yes... this machine... was fed a vocabulary. And having the vocabulary... when it was asked questions. Not only pulled out the words... defining the questions... according to vocabulary... but added some of their own. This is why... they called a... thinking machine. They... have had some unusual... experiences with it.

Ben Isquith : 0:43:50 I... I mean... I... I have never heard of this machine. I... I would certainly like to find out... more about it.

Otis T. Carr : 0:44:01 This is a... Gerald Blackburn... is the general manager of...

Norman Colton : 0:44:05 No... Blackwell.

Otis T. Carr : 0:44:06 Blackwell... is the general manager... of the Electromation Company... and he was certain most enthusiastic about... what they had accomplished with this.

Ben Isquith : 0:44:15 Does this have anything... is this machine then... it... is its principle... are its principles somewhat dissimilar... and... similar to...

Otis T. Carr : 0:44:21 It has nothing to do with ours at all. It's just...

Ben Isquith : 0:44:21 No... not yours. So... I was thinking of the other machines... whether a electronicinteroppator (sp).

Otis T. Carr : 0:44:28 I wouldn't know sir... I really wouldn't.

Ben Isquith : 0:44:31 But... there is a point in the a... again the information bulletin. We're actually going on saying that... the... a... the principles and the physical sensitises... and verified by an impartial scientific laboratory... lab... excuse me... laboratory... and confirms as follows. I'd... I'd like to read this part... and from this... this quote... there's a quote from the laboratory's. 0:44:54 We have shown that a charged body... accelerated to an active rotation... relative to its attracted inertial mass... indicates polarity in a given direction. The fifth needle points... stay up near the top of the body. But mount this whole rotating body... with its spindle on another platform... and rotate this platform on a spindle. And if the counterrotation is greater... than the initial forward rotation of the body... of the fifth needle on the second platform... will point down... while the first fifth needle point up... indicating... the complete relativity of polarity. When the exact house of... rotation maxs the forward rotation... the body looses its polarity... is highly and immediately becomes activated by... free energy. And then in parenthesis... you have the word... tensive presses in space... close parenthesis... and active and independent force. 0:42:42 Now I... I would say you frankly... that I understood nothing in that entire paragraph... except I saw a familiar word... called... tenser. Are you referring to... tenser analysis?

Otis T. Carr : 0:45:53 No... they've... they made that reference. Our statement was very plan. Where we said... any body in a magnetic field... which was activated to a relative rotation to its larger mass... which is its attracted mass... would be... become airborne or levitate. And this is what our (?)... this is what our ship does.

Ben Isquith : 0:46:14 In other words... the word tenser... was used by them.

Otis T. Carr : 0:46:16 Was used by them.

Ben Isquith : 0:46:17 Not by you.

Mr. Colton did not develop these machines. He has followed with me in the bringing them into being. Now I know exactly what makes them work. Because I have seen them work. I'm not at all interested in anyone's opinion of why I don't show them including yours.
I'll just come right back to this and say that demonstration has been made. If we didn't make it to you that may be your misfortune.
All of my observations
on this one leads me to believe that
the other planets must be occupied by intelligences.
I think the true scientist keeps an open mind. When someone sincerely says this experience happened to me. He does not say ahhh it didn't happen to me therefore
it doesn't exist.
A true scientist is a man who is willing at all times to possibly explore. Now in our business in the application of these principles we had the rare good fortune to know doctor Albert Einstein. We had the good fortune to know Mr. Tesla. And we knew that Mr. Tesla... a drew... a... we received inspiration from a source that was always difficult to define.
We had the good fortune to know
Mr. Tesla
.
And we knew that Mr. Tesla a drew... a... we received inspiration from a source that was always difficult to define.
Tesla
ran an experiment
with Otis T. Carr
0:33:41 In fact he and I run an experiment that proved that man had much greater qualifications then...
0:33:52 Mr. Tesla said... that we were a primary and electrical machine. That we had so degenerated our bodies... that we didn't even know how to apply the principles that were available if we wanted to put them to work. He said let us go back to the great master who said we must be born again.
Mr. Tesla said
So we run a three month experiment. Wherein no alcohol no cigaretts no tobacco no stimulants of any kind.
Mr. Tesla also further said...
I think you've been a rather fortunate man being able to be associated with Tesla...
Mr. Carr. You had the pleasure of talking and associating with many great scientists. And I was not aware of the fact that Tesla was interested in
metaphysical subject.
He didn't consider them metaphysical.
when I begin to have some success with some of my experiments. We were building the first circular foil models right here in New York City in 1938. And we come up against some interesting things that had been lead to us or that we were lead into this type of research by the inspiration of Mr. Tesla. We started to correspond with the good doctor and a he was very patient when we told him we were trying to build a spaceship. And he gave us a clue that has stayed with us and has made us possible to now know the success is here. He said it was impossible for a man to go out into Space and return unless he's carrying his own force field with him. And a I had never given this a thought previously.
Einstein
gave us a clue
we were lead into this type of research by the inspiration of Mr. Tesla.
That's right electricity.
But the doctor was talking about something else
something to protect the ship against friction.
they verified this test and wrote us and were quite excited about it. They're in California and they voluntarily wrote us to tell us that they had tested out this principle and found it to be correct.
December 23rd 1957 Where it is both in talking about the scientific verification of the principles of the
Circular Foil Spacecraft.
the principles and the physical sensitises and verified by an impartial scientific laboratory
indicating the complete relativity of polarity.
When the exact house of rotation maxs the forward rotation the body looses its polarity is highly and immediately becomes activated by free energy.
Our statement was very plan. Where we said any body in a magnetic field which was activated to a relative rotation to its larger mass which is its attracted mass would be become airborne or levitate. And this is what our ship does.

Otis T. Carr : 0:46:18 Not by me.

Ben Isquith : 0:46:21 Les... do you understand that paragraph?

Lester del Rey : 0:46:23 No... I certainly do not accept that... it seems to me... a hyped up... and very fancy way... of saying something... which isn't very surprising at all. If you can take a... a... coil of wire... and rotate it... in a field... it naturally will a... generate electrical current... and you will also have magnetic a... fields... along... any place... where the current is. If you now take one... and rotate it... in the opposite direction... you can actually... a... get two opposing... flows of current... in such a manner... that a... (?) who isn't effected by it. But this is nothing very unusual.

Ben Isquith : 0:47:01 In other words... they balance each other out.

Lester del Rey : 0:47:02 Yes... and... and... a... this... this is certainly nothing... a... very remarkable. It was something that was... a... pretty well understood... a hundred years ago... as I would get it.

Ben Isquith : 0:47:10 Oh... I see.

Lester del Rey : 0:47:11 Again... you make anything else out of it?

Otis T. Carr : 0:47:13 Well... what they further did... was take the... actual disk... and rotate them in this field... where they became... mutually conductive. They therefore became polarized the same... and then they become levitated. This is not... new knowledge... accept as we apply it... by energy from within. This is new an novel. Had the a... a... first developers of storage electrical cells... made these a piece of machinery... and put them in motion... a... this development would have... come near... excuse me... much sooner than it has.

Ben Isquith : 0:47:51 Mr. Carr... I... I have been looking at that fascinating model... over and over again... and a... there are some questions... that leak... in my mind. I have been trying to repress but... you know... to ask them... I think... will only reveal my ignorance in these manners. But I...

Otis T. Carr : 0:48:07 No indeed... relax...

Ben Isquith : 0:48:09 But... I... I can no longer repress them. I... my memory in talking to John... you know... in talking about... a... a twelve thousand volt storage battery. That's going to activate... the coils... and therefore... those iron... the iron rods... the coils are wrapped upon... around... will become electromagnets...

Otis T. Carr : 0:48:29 uh huh.

Ben Isquith : 0:48:30 ... and this would rotate in one direction... while the... what is... the inner... wheel...

Otis T. Carr : 0:48:34 Yeah... that's right.

Ben Isquith : 0:48:36 ... would be capacitor plate... and then the... a...

Otis T. Carr : 0:48:39 Regenerated coil.

Ben Isquith : 0:48:40 ... the regenerated coil... would rotate... in the opposite direction. Now the thing... I do not understand is... that I can understand the twelve thousand volts battery... charging up the magnets.

Otis T. Carr : 0:48:49 uh huh.

Ben Isquith : 0:48:50 But... what is moving... the magnets in one sphere... and causing the... the... wheel to then... (?)(?)(?).

Otis T. Carr : 0:48:56 Well... when you have... we activate these coils... from the battery also... all... all three circuits there... are activated... from the battery... from the center power core. And... the natural... the minute that you run a... electric current... a... a... through a... conductive and a magnetic field... you get... polarity... of the same... and when you do... you get repulsion... which is... what a motor is. So a... these begin to... turn. As they do... in their rotation... they also become... regenerative. We conduct this back... through a regulator... back into the battery. 0:49:34 Now what is rather unusual in these coils that you're seeing... is that they... are... not only a vortex... but a vertex. Which means... that we have here... as far as I know... the first time in electrical history an application... an expansion and contraction coil. We have been able... in this development... to utilize... a... something that... so far as we know... has not been used in electrical machine... the... eddy current. And this is done by... dimension and form... just as much as it was done by a... a... other systems incorporated. 0:50:18 Being able to utilize the... eddy current... we are able... so far as I know... for the first time... to increase... permeability... of pair magnetic substances... over what was grasps... as our saturation point. This is a... a novel... secret discovery... of this development. We're confident... that when this knowledge has been made public... and the application of these principles... principles are concerned. That this... knowledge... applied... in the communications field... will set up... something... almost fabulous.

Ben Isquith : 0:51:03 Well... as I take it Mr. Carr... you really have something that power point... there is some sort of... a electro generator and electric motor combined.

Otis T. Carr : 0:51:12 Right. Is both.

Norman Colton : 0:51:15 And a self contained battery.

Ben Isquith : 0:51:17 With a self contained battery. Now the thing that I wanted to ask was. No... no... no electrical machine... no machine... I mean a... not just electrical machines... are a hundred percent... efficient. So therefore... part of your energy... that you're manufacturing... you'll always be moving. I mean... even if it's minute percentage... it will be sneaking away. So therefore

Otis T. Carr : 0:51:42 A lot of things wearout.

Ben Isquith : 0:51:43 No... I... I... I don't mean them wearing out. I mean... all machines wear out.

Lester del Rey : 0:51:47 (?)(?)(?)

Ben Isquith : 0:51:49 But a... what I was thinking of... is that... things start out... say... a hundred percent... energy is being delivered. In on (?) you're getting back... say... ninety-nine percent. And then on this ninety-nine percent... on this next cycle... you're turning... you're getting ninety-eight percent. Won't this thing eventually stop revolving?

Otis T. Carr : 0:52:06 Yes indeed. We hope to go long distances with (?)(?)...

Ben Isquith : 0:52:10 Oh... I see... if the cycle is that long.

Otis T. Carr : 0:52:12 That's right.

Ben Isquith : 0:52:15 Would... I... I was wondering about about this. Some carrots have leaked from my mind. And... and... I'm not being vacuous... but a... it apparently... does leap from my mind... is that... in effect... it's... combination motor and generator. And the fact... that you have such a tiny... loss... of energy... in... in... in the returning of the... output into the input. Was that I was wondering... whether or not... you feel... or that you think you have here... a perpetual motion machine?

Otis T. Carr : 0:52:40 Absolutely not. The energies are perpetual. Because our machines wear out. And any energy that we put into them... is to store... will eventually weaken and wear out.

Ben Isquith : 0:52:50 I see.

Otis T. Carr : 0:52:50 We don't understand perpetual motion... man made.

Ben Isquith : 0:52:54 I see.

Long John Nebel : 0:52:58 Dave... I wonder if you'd be kind enough to read those two telegrams there.

Dave Field : 0:53:03 Yes. This one is from New York. I am sick unto revulsion of the double talk of your guests. Bravo... to del Rey. From... Lawrence LaMoin. (sp)

Long John Nebel : 0:53:17 Thank you Mr. Fahrenheit. From my point of view.

Dave Field : 0:53:21 That's nice... for you (?)(?). Here is another one from Brooklyn. Long John... Tell Mr. Carr he can leave on (?) on... a-m-o-r-c... in issue of equilibrium... which will be sent to him and Long John. From Sal Lipski

Long John Nebel : 0:53:41 (?) we'll get and we'll be able to read it. Thank you. We're sitting around... setting up a few jackpots with... fine... so oh. Jack Keen... my apologies. We certainly meant... our good friend... Al Nealson. And I'm happy to say that... the great inventor... that scientist... that man among men... the great Keen... has been with us all morning. And if you have listened... you've heard the difference.

several : 0:54:10 laugh...

Long John Nebel : 0:54:13 Sorry Jack... Jack... I didn't mean it. Dave Field has been with us too... so that sort of... a... gives a credit to all of those... and of course... that old communicator... gee that's a wonderful song... I guess you could write a song with that huh? That old communicator... Norman Colton is with us from O.T.C.

Dave Field : 0:54:34 Try and find a rhyme John.

Long John Nebel : 0:54:37 With communicator huh?

Dave Field : 0:54:38 Yeah.

Long John Nebel : 0:54:40 There must be something.

Ben Isquith : 0:54:41 Alligator

Lester del Rey : 0:54:42 No... no... no...

Otis T. Carr : 0:52:40 Levitator.

Dave Field : 0:54:44 Well... that's pretty good.

somebody : 0:54:45 woooooo

Dave Field : 0:54:47 Otis is wild tonight.

Long John Nebel : 0:54:51 That old levitator... that old communicator... Norman the Colton.

Norman Colton : 0:54:56 Yeah... one of the most... a... famous rhymes Otis has made... is a... one that goes something like... there is no time... and there is no space... I can't be any other place. There is no near... and there is no far... perhaps the Universe... is right where you are. This is a... silly sounding goggle rather to some people... at first glance. But a... Ben was saying... saying something before... about the... dynamic and the static... and so... maybe there is a lot a little profundities in this... little rhyme.

Long John Nebel : 0:55:32 He did say something... I remember.

Ben Isquith : 0:55:34 Dynamic and (?)

somebody : 0:55:35 Yeah... (?)(?)(?)(?)(?)

Otis T. Carr : 0:55:39 Doctor Einstein... tried to picture the Universe without motion.

Long John Nebel : 0:55:47 Dave Field... we're going to give you a... an opportunity with... a couple of questions. You do sitting on the sidelines there... would you care to ask... Mr. Carr or Mr. Colton a question? You're welcome to do so Dave.

Norman Colton : 0:56:02 Let me tell a little secret on Dave... before he asks his first question. Behind your back... he was punning on his main... by revolving in your chair... calling himself... a rotating field.

Lester del Rey : 0:56:16 I want to ask him... if he is a rotating magnetic field?

Dave Field : 0:56:19 Well... I'm called that very often in school... and my friends who were physics and engineering student... and they joke about it. I thought it was a... perfectly good opportunity... to a... repeat it.

Norman Colton : 0:56:32 Well... I thought it deserved a public laugh... so there you have it.

Dave Field : 0:56:35 Well... thank you.

Long John Nebel : 0:56:36 Now that doesn't mean... you can't ask questions... no... cause I... (?)(?)(?)... with the communicator... (?)(?).

Dave Field : 0:56:38 laughs...

Ben Isquith : 0:56:42 I have a question. Which was brought up... when Lester and Norman were having... a mildly discussion before. About a... the free energy involved... and the magnets... and the Earth. I was just thinking of an... an analogy that I was... that I'd like to make. It appears I think... that there's free energy from the Earth and the Moon and the tides. But lets think... suppose we were... a... had a pendulum here on Earth... which was suspended from a very long... wire. Now we can say... that one of these pendulums... would swing for a long time before stopping. As even... as far as we're concerned. Now... let us imagaine... that on the surface of this pendulum... there is a... not a Universe... but some people are being... living on the surface of this pendulum. 0:57:37 And their masses are infinitesimal... compaired to the... mass of the pendulum. Now any forces that they could have exert... or... remove... or try... in... in... and when they are trying... to take any energy out of the swinging... out of the motion... of this pendulum. Would appear to them... as if they... well... they would have... no effect upon it. And somehow... this seems to me as... a... a similar thing. In other words... the Earth is so large... a... is... is... I remember learning that... if you jump on the Earth... the Earth moves away from you a little bit... just as much as you... a... in proportion that is... as you... move away from it. Of course we can't measure it. But... a... I don't know... maybe this is... this is a product of a... a... logic courses in... in school or... brash young men... a... showing off their new knowledge. But I... I just thought of it in this view... what do you think of it?

Norman Colton : 0:58:37 I think... as... a little nasty crack there... as you... young men showing off knowledge.

Ben Isquith : 0:58:41 laughs...

Long John Nebel : 0:58:42 Go ahead... Lester.

Lester del Rey : 0:58:43 Dave... don't you think that a (?)... which can be described in a (?) function... would soon be obvious... to the inhabitance?

Dave Field : 0:58:53 Lester... I'll have to admit...

Long John Nebel : 0:58:54 Pardon me... is that permitted in here... that type of language? You know... we're on the air.

Lester del Rey : 0:58:58 Well... the pendulum... the pendulum may be a... described basically as a (?) rey thing.

Ben Isquith : 0:59:02 Lester... that a dirty (?)(?)...

Dave Field : 0:59:04 laughs... at this point... just plan dirty... I'm being nasty.

Ben Isquith : 0:59:07 It is... it is forbidden... for me to divulge... anymore information.

Dave Field : 0:59:11 laughs...

Long John Nebel : 0:59:16 Okay...

Ben Isquith : 0:59:18 You know... this... you know... this does seem... by the way... what Dave said... that you know... when you jump on the Earth... that the Earth (?) moved away from you... at a certain amount.

Lester del Rey : 0:59:26 Do a portion of the math then.

Ben Isquith : 0:59:27 And I was thinking... that if you had everybody together. You know at three... three o'clock in the morning... you said... did you know... this is jumping off time...

several : 0:59:34 laugh...

Ben Isquith : 0:59:34 ... You got everyone together in the whole world... you know... all the Eskimos... and all the Chinese... and all the Russians... and all the Americans... and all the South Americans. And you say... exactly... three AM... everyone jump. And you multiply that by the two billion people in the world... we may go into orbit.

several : 0:59:51 laugh...

Otis T. Carr : 0:59:56 But a...

Dave Field : 0:59:59 Very good.

Otis T. Carr : 0:59:59 The best thing to do... is assemble them all... and have them jump across the international date line.

several : 1:00:06 Talk at once.

Otis T. Carr : 1:00:06 Loose two days.

Long John Nebel : 1:00:10 Well... Dave... you got a chance... for one or two more questions... either... you may address them to Mr. Carr or to Mr. Colton.

Dave Field : 1:00:18 At this point... again... a... the... profound questions that I had intended to ask... upon... a... consideration... I... feel at this point again... I should not... I should wait... because perhaps some other... fine point may be brought up... by... Lester del Rey.

Lester del Rey : 1:00:44 (?)(?)(?)(?)... but never the less.

Ben Isquith : 1:00:47 Good lord... you come out with that response... and now you're quoting Latin. What is this.

Lester del Rey : 1:00:53 You don't think that I had an education Ben?

Ben Isquith : 1:00:55 Boy... oh... boy

Lester del Rey : 1:00:58 (?Baggers?) very reluctantly... through forty-eight... a... a... and that's rough... if you're following up.

Ben Isquith : 1:01:03 (?)(?)(?)

Lester del Rey : 1:01:05 I said... I'd stagger through them.

Ben Isquith : 1:01:06 Well... someday you got to explain them to me.

Dave Field : 1:01:08 laughs... oh I don't know.

Norman Colton : 1:01:13 I think I'll stick to communication.

Long John Nebel : 1:01:15 I'm with you Colton.

Dave Field : 1:01:16 I'm with you.

some : 1:01:17 laugh...

Otis T. Carr : 1:01:19 In other words...

Lester del Rey : 1:01:19 I have a couple of little things... there... a... if someone else wants to take over...

Long John Nebel : 1:01:23 Did you want to say something sir.

Otis T. Carr : 1:01:25 Well... the only thing I was going to say is... in all of this... mathematics of a... where it doesn't seem to be an inventive member. That a... our experiments have brought us the attention...

Ben Isquith : 1:01:39 Mr. Carr... can I interrupt for a moment?

Otis T. Carr : 1:01:41 (?)

Ben Isquith : 1:01:42 I... I want to warn you... I'm asking you... I'm pleading for my sake. The last time on this program with you... you came out with a formula... that we both discussed. It was... minus zero... plus zero... over minus zero... equals... zero.

Otis T. Carr : 1:01:56 Right.

Ben Isquith : 1:01:56 I got so many letters... saying... why didn't you stamp this... ruthless heresy out of the beginning... and all the rest.

Otis T. Carr : 1:02:02 laughs...

Ben Isquith : 1:02:03 I think I... I brought out clearly... you later on said... it was spiritually the presence... spiritually arrived at... it was not mathematical. But... if you're going to do the same thing... going on to... your kind of mathematics... that I am disassociated from it. I won't get any more of these letters saying...

Otis T. Carr : 1:02:18 Well...

Ben Isquith : 1:02:18 ... saying... you're boomed with heaven and lizard death... and all the rest of it.

Otis T. Carr : 1:02:22 A common mistake that... that a... we start teaching children... a linier measurement... with a rule... usually twelve inches. And a... everybody knows... that the rule has imperfections. So that a... the first inch is a... not exactly one inch... so... a... if it is a... thousands off... by the time you got to the twelfth inch... he has a... a... amplified imperfections. There is no thought of keeping correlation. So we've invented... a... which we will use at... O.T.C. Enterprises... a rule... to try... a little bit... to overcome these imperfections of measurement. 1:03:10 We claim that a rule should start in the center with zero... and measure to the right and to the left. Being positive one on one side... and negative one on the other... so that a... the imperfection of the measurement on the right... will be correlated... with the imperfection of the measurement on the left... so that we will get... closer to a true measurement... and not keep on amplifying... mistakes. Mathematician...

Ben Isquith : 1:03:50 Well... whether or not you call... with the... whether you call it minus... i mean if you making a rule... whether or not you call... the sense of zero... and the one below it... minus one... and the one above it plus one. I mean... is there any difference calling it... six... and the one below it... five... and the one above it... seven?

Otis T. Carr : 1:04:04 All the difference in the world. Because to measure from left to right... when they should measure from the center... to right and left. Now this is what is done with the...

Ben Isquith : 1:04:13 There is a standard... there is a standard twelve inch rule... assessing... the Bureau of Standards... in Washington DC... which is kept as accurate as... a... possible... (?)(?)(?)...

Otis T. Carr : 1:04:21 But they... they have missed imperfection.

Ben Isquith : 1:04:24 Yeah... it a one thing of an inch or something.

Otis T. Carr : 1:04:26 So... if we can...

Ben Isquith : 1:04:28 But you never can get as (?).

Otis T. Carr : 1:04:30 If... but we're going to take the a... imperfection on one side... and match it with... imperfection on the other... (?)(?)(?)...

Lester del Rey : 1:04:36 Wow... but can you be sure?

Ben Isquith : 1:04:36 How can you match things correctly?

Otis T. Carr : 1:04:40 If you start from the center... it would be much closer...

Lester del Rey : 1:04:43 Not necessarily. Your errors... a... might a... cancel or they might... combine. For instance... they might magnify... who knows.

Otis T. Carr : 1:04:51 The a... the a... protractor or the compass... more or less... gives us a close to a measurement... because we're going from right to left from a point. Now if the rule starts out this way... we feel... that a true sense of measurement... will be much better understood... then it is by the present method of continuing to accident to amplify our error.

Lester del Rey : 1:05:15 There are much better ways of overcoming the error. There are great many other ways... of doing it. I can not see... that this accomplished anything... except to change the terminology. And make it in such a... a... a case... awkward enough... so that you have to add... minus one... to plus one... to get plus two.

Otis T. Carr : 1:05:33 Well... it works out very nice... it works very... out very nice in measurement.

some : 1:05:37 talkover...

Lester del Rey : 1:05:40 I am... I am saying... that if the a... this kind of a rule is used... that would have to be. This is not the normal procedure... of course.

Otis T. Carr : 1:05:46 We a... have to always move away from normal procedure to have novelty and invention.

Long John Nebel : 1:05:54 I wanted to ask you gentleman... either one of you... a question. Have you ever heard of the I AM... movement?

Norman Colton : 1:06:06 I can answer my part of that quickly... and say... I've heard of it... but I don't know what it is.

Otis T. Carr : 1:06:10 The same... I've heard of it and I don't understand it.

Long John Nebel : 1:06:14 The reason I a... asked that question... I've been extremely interesting in getting some people from that movement... that's the... the old... Ballard movement. They had a... they started out in California I believe.

Ben Isquith : 1:06:28 (?)(?)(?)

Long John Nebel : 1:06:30 No... no. There are a few connections there... actually... people... I understand... paid as much as five hundred to a thousand dollars to spend the day on Mount Shasta. And a... they would a... think of a question... and rocks would roll down a portion of the... of the mountain there... and hit the side of the cabin. If a... if you heard... a... a group of rocks... fall down... and then... you heard no additional sound... that was... ya. If the rocks came rolling down and then stopped. And a few minutes later... then more rocks came rolling down... that was no.

Lester del Rey : 1:07:13 Could you wear out the mountain after a while?

Long John Nebel : 1:07:16 No. I understanding... they were using a... nylon rocks.

some : 1:07:20 laugh...

Otis T. Carr : 1:07:23 Well... I was around Mount Shasta... in 1922... in March in a blizzard... on a gondola. I wouldn't like to do that again.

Ben Isquith : 1:07:37 A gondola?

Otis T. Carr : 1:07:38 We weren't looking for any rocks.

Ben Isquith : 1:07:40 A water... a water board gondola?

Otis T. Carr : 1:07:44 Box car... field gondola.

Lester del Rey : 1:07:46 yeah... railroad car.

some : 1:07:47 yeah... railroad car.

Ben Isquith : 1:07:48 Oh... oh... I see.

where they became mutually conductive.
They therefore became polarized the same and then they become levitated.
This is not new knowledge accept as we apply it by energy from within. This is new an novel.
Now the thing I do not understand is that I can understand the twelve thousand volts battery charging up the magnets.
we activate these coils from the battery also all all three circuits there are activated from the battery from the center power core.
these begin to turn.
As they do in their rotation
they also become regenerative.
We conduct this back through a regulator back into the battery.
what is rather unusual in these coils that you're seeing is that they are not only a vortex but a vertex. Which means that we have here as far as I know the first time in electrical history an application an expansion and contraction coil. We have been able in this development to utilize something that so far as we know has not been used in electrical machine the eddy current. And this is done by dimension and form
0:50:18 Being able to utilize the eddy current we are able so far as I know for the first time to increase permeability of pair magnetic substances over what was grasps as our saturation point. This is a novel secret discovery of this development.
the
first time in electrical history

Long John Nebel : 1:07:51 starts humming... May I read this sir?

Ben Isquith : 1:08:00 Go right ahead.

Long John Nebel : 1:08:03 I will... face my hand... up to my ear... cup my hand... in the professional... (?)... she looked at me... see... I mean... this is... this is pro. This is pro... when you do this... you know... when you see anybody doing this... you know this man is with it... he is a real pro.

Ben Isquith : 1:08:19 That's how you get those (?)(?).

Long John Nebel : 1:08:21 I understand the workings... of an idea machine. However it is not necessary for me... to be a snob to operate one. That is one of the reasons... I don't like... brain way... of talking... on your program. This is from... Philadelphia.

Ben Isquith : 1:08:40 That figures.

some : 1:08:41 laugh...

Ben Isquith : 1:08:46 What is that term... that it is me... and I want to say... it started with a train... (?)(?).

Long John Nebel : 1:08:50 Well... I... no... (?)

Ben Isquith : 1:08:51 It started with the train.

Long John Nebel : 1:08:52 Well...actually...

Ben Isquith : 1:08:53 It sure is...

Long John Nebel : 1:08:54 ... before...

Ben Isquith : 1:08:54 ... there is a little hot bed of a cult... is down there... (?) rise up in their... in their spiritual in the (?).

Long John Nebel : 1:09:01 I have a great surprise for you...

Ben Isquith : 1:09:03 (?)(?) Philadelphia.

Long John Nebel : 1:09:04 What you've done tonight.

Ben Isquith : 1:09:05 Four solid miles of rubble... and that's it is.

Long John Nebel : 1:09:08 Pardon me. Before you came on the program tonight... you were a little late. May I just say this to you... that when... Mr. Carr... and Mr. Colton... came to the studios... after... we greeted each other... talked for a couple of minutes... and Mr. Colton said... will Ben be here? And I said... that yes... he'll be here a little later. And they said... that they had a surprise. Their hoping... that you will come to Baltimore... the latter part of December... at your convenience... and they intend to give you a plaque.
And a... this is going to be a... a galla event. John Field.

Dave Field : 1:09:47 Is that a marble plaque?

unknown : 1:09:49 What's that?

Dave Field : 1:09:49 Is that a marble plaque ?

Long John Nebel : 1:09:50 It's in the shape of a headstone.

Dave Field : 1:09:52 yeah... that's what I meant.

some : 1:09:53 giggle...

Ben Isquith : 1:09:56 No really... I think these people in Philadelphia... you know... they over step their bounds... because (?)(?). I've just been asking questions tonight... I haven't... I haven't said... you know...

Lester del Rey : 1:10:04 Ben... may I ask a question?

Ben Isquith : 1:10:05 I've just been asking questions... and it's my right to ask questions.

Lester del Rey : 1:10:08 May I ask one question?

Ben Isquith : 1:10:09 Lester... will fight to the death... with my right to ask questions.

Lester del Rey : 1:10:13 May I ask a question?

Ben Isquith : 1:10:14 Why?

Lester del Rey : 1:10:14 Why is it that not only Philadelphia... but everybody seems to hate you all the time... Ben.

Ben Isquith : 1:10:17 No... I'm very well loved... I've a very nice guy... I have lots of friends.

Lester del Rey : 1:10:22 You have.

Ben Isquith : 1:10:23 I have lots of friends.

Lester del Rey : 1:10:24 Well... I'm glad to hear that... I was worried about you.

Ben Isquith : 1:10:26 People like me... I mean... is this strange thing for you Philadelphia?

some : 1:10:31 laugh...

Ben Isquith : 1:10:32 That there are... people who have been known... to sit down... and drink a cup of coffee with me.

Lester del Rey : 1:10:38 You would provide the coffee though?

Ben Isquith : 1:10:39 No. I... they even bought the coffee occasionally.

Lester del Rey : 1:10:42 No... no... not the whole machine... I'm sure.

some : 1:10:44 laugh...

Ben Isquith : 1:10:44 Oh... you're starting that again.

Long John Nebel : 1:10:46 May I... may I... may I start to wrap it up men. I would just like to repeat this. I'm going to be making this as brief as possible because I think that our... our a... guests this morning... Mr. Colton... Mr. Carr... will... enjoy this little tale. When we went out to the spacecraft convention in Lebannon New Jersey... my good friend Ben Isquith was... really amazed... pleasantly so. To see the number of people that wanted to shake hands with Ben... and take his picture... and ask for his autograph. Since they heard him... on the... Party Line. And this was quite a thrill. And certainly anyone can understand it. Well... recently Ben decided that he would like to get... a new apartment. He is not particularly... happy... in a... his present apartment. He'd like a little larger apartment... some changes. 1:11:41 So a couple of Sundays ago... it was a rather nasty day. He decided to... spend some time and do some reading... he had a copy of The New York Times... and he went through the... a... section devoted to real estate. And he discovered there were two or three apartments in the village... the locations were ideal. And he thought he would call... the real estate agent and get more information the following day... which would be Monday. So Monday afternoon he called... one particular... real estate agent. And the lady answered... and he said he would like additional information about the apartment located at... such and such address. 1:12:25 And the lady said... well... to be very frank with you... we have... a young couple... they were just here a couple of minutes ago... they left... and... they're going to call me back in an hour... and they would like to have it. But they... can't give a definite answer for... an hour. However... if they decide not to take it... I'll be happy to call you back. So... Ben was quite enthused... after hearing the details of the apartment... about the apartment... and a... he gave his name... my name is... Isquith... I-s-q-u-i-t-h. And the lady said... Isquith... there can't be two men with that name. And Ben said... what do you mean. 1:13:09 And she said... what is your first name... he said... Ben Isquith. And she said... Oh... you're on the Long John program. Well... of course he was very elated... because he figured... gee... I'm in like Flynn... certainly I am going to get the apartment. She possibly will even put a... two coats of paint on the kitchen. And so he was... very happy about it... and all of a sudden... she said... you know... you're a very intelligent boy... but I don't like you... you're nasty... and I would never rent an apartment with the name... Isquith.

Ben Isquith : 1:13:40 Poisonous... was the word I think that's the word.

Long John Nebel : 1:13:41 And this is what happened to Ben.

Ben Isquith : 1:13:43 Poisonous... that's the word for it.

Long John Nebel : 1:13:44 So I think a... on that note... we'll wrap it up for another morning. Let me remind you... that our good friend... the great... Phil Thompson will be along... in just a few minutes. And Phil always has interesting material. And I want you to keep that dial set on 710... and you listen to Phil... after our sunrise serenade. And of course... at six AM... John A. Gambling... a gentleman... that is responsible... for music from studio (?).

Ben Isquith : 1:14:15 I am forced to say... that even the Liberty Bell is cracked out there.

Long John Nebel : 1:14:21 That was Ben Isquith. I love the people in Philadelphia... and thanks for listening. Otis T. Carr has been with us this morning... Norman Colton... Lester del Rey... Ben Isquith... Ellery Lanier... Dave Field... Sam Vandivert... our engineer is Jack Keen... and Russell Tinklefore. I'll be back with you again tonight at midnight. I sincerely hope
that you'll be with me. If you're getting up... I hope you have a wonderful day. And if you're going to bed... get a good night sleep... and sleep real good.
Bless you.

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Venus Tesla Connection introduction ~ home page
.Otis T. Carr~~~~~~knew Tesla
~.Listen 15 Nov 1958 last third
.Margaret Storm~~.~knew Tesla
.Arthur H. Matthews~.knew Tesla