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Long John Nebel Show
Otis T. Carr

interview ~ 19 April 1958 ~ second half

Nikola Tesla
Here is what they
took away from us.
O.T.C. Enterprises Inc.
2502 North Calvert Street Baltimore Maryland
Carrotto Dynamics Inc & Utron Atomic Development Inc.
Inspiration by Tesla :
Nikola Tesla taught Otis T. Carr... how to capture (free) energy.
Venus Tesla Connection introduction ~ home page
.Otis T. Carr~~~~~~knew Tesla
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.Margaret Storm~~.~loved Tesla
.Arthur H. Matthews~.knew Tesla
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Roy Benson : 0:00:01 One addressed to Ben Isquith... the a... lawful attorney from Siberia. (laughter) The word Zero comes from the Italian deuterium or dethero. (sp) Leonard of Pisa wrote a book of Arabic System of Numbers in 1202... 1202 the year. His word... Zero came from the Arabic fifr... f... i... f... r. Or sifer. Which is the translation of the Hindu Sonya... meaning empty or void. Reserve space for me if the Baltimore trip is serving mint Julep... otherwise... in such a minus atmosphere... could not add or subtract a zero. Love from your constant listener... Olga Bofferanzano. (sp) Here is one that seems to be a slight a... beef. C.B. Bower... ask Carr... what about Stevo's (sp) magnetic field theory of propulsion. Impossibility flies tonight with a vengeance... we wish you luck from the Moon. Tim Bower and Steve B.

Long John Nebel : 0:01:13 Would you care to comment on that Mr. Carr?

Otis T. Carr : 0:01:16 No comment.

Long John Nebel : 0:01:17 All right fine... the next one.

Roy Benson : 0:01:18 The next one is a... Maxwell the scientist I assume... mathematically identifies light wave with electromagnetic wave. First found an identical in velocity and property. Carr accepts the electromagnetic theory and denies fundamental life law. If life seed varies... does electromagnetic field vary? That's signed... A. Osgood.

Otis T. Carr : 0:01:47 We were conjecturing about a system outside our own Solar System. Are... and this was conjectural. In our own Solar System... our craft is built upon the measurements that we know... the velocity of light and the electromagnetic wave.

Roy Benson : 0:02:05 There is a little question... I was curious about this thing... that a... these revolving cones seem to pass over... again hard to describe... they seem to pass over... like... intricately revolving magnetic... copper wound coils I should say. Do you supply any motive power to them?

Otis T. Carr : 0:02:27 All of the energy comes from these two cones. This in the vernacular would be a battery. The big novelty here... is that we have put a battery in motion. We have designed it according to... accepted knowledge of the total dimensions of... space matter. And we have activated it... electrochemically... and then we've... used this electrochemical activation to activate the impact craft after which.... we have motion as the feature of this a... accumulator... which in the vernacular is a battery.

Long John Nebel : 0:03:09 A... Ben Isquith.

Ben Isquith : 0:03:10 Mr. Carr I wanted to ask you... this... Mr. Osgood's telegram... I think brought up a very important and a... perhaps even crucial point. Mainly... it is quite true that James Clerk Maxwell demonstrated that... life is an electromagnet radiation. Also... which was an experimentally verified by a... Hurtz... who actually a... laid the foundation for a... modern radio. Now the speed of an electromagnetic radiation... such as radio waves... is also 186,000 miles per second. In other words... light and all forms of electromagnetic radiation is constant at the speed 186,000 miles per second. 0:03:57 Now it's presuming if it were possible... for your craft to travel... faster than the speed of light... it could therefore... travel faster than the speed of electromagnetic radiation. So once it exceeded the speed of 186,000 miles per second... you wouldn't be gaining all this energy from the electromagnetic radiation that your generating... and wouldn't you fall rapidly downward?

Otis T. Carr : 0:04:19 There is a continual falling in Space which in itself a... a... can bring velocity... and also bring you to a... another system.

Ben Isquith : 0:04:32 Well... I was thinking about this thousand miles up.

Otis T. Carr : 0:04:34 Well a... we qualified our answer there by stating... that our craft was designed on the basic known principles of the velocity of light within our system and the electromagnetic wave velocity. Now a... we mentioned conjecturally that in other systems... there could be different velocities... that we are not applying them to our craft... and we don't identify them that way.

Ben Isquith : 0:05:00 Yeah fine... but if you go faster than the speed of light...

Otis T. Carr : 0:05:03 We didn't... well...

Ben Isquith : 0:05:05 You said it was quite possible.

Otis T. Carr : 0:05:06 I said in another system...

Ben Isquith : 0:05:08 All right... in any other system. You can go to Altair 7... I mean... I don't care what you say you use...

Otis T. Carr : 0:05:13 Very possible very possible.

Ben Isquith : 0:05:14 All right... say you're in Altair 7... and a... you're going faster than the speed of light. Now if you're going faster than the speed of light... you're going faster than the speed of electromagnetic radiation... therefore you can not absorb any energy... from the... from the electricmagnet motor that you are generating because...

Otis T. Carr : 0:05:32 Relatively.

Ben Isquith : 0:05:32 fast... it's travelling faster... than it's getting out.

Otis T. Carr : 0:05:35 Relatively we would not be able... to go faster than... unless we were in a system... that (?)commited(?). In our system... of our Solar System... our craft... that we have mentioned now three times... was designed on known principle. We conjectured about other systems. If we go beyond velocity of light in other systems... then conditions within the system would make it possible for us to continue to have power.

Long John Nebel : 0:06:05 Dave...

David Bell : 0:06:07 Ben... You had gotten a little bit beyond where I was... you were going out at the speed of light... and had already gotten to Altair 7. I'm still down here on Earth... and I'm not travelling very fast. Lets assume Mr. Carr... that this vehicle... I presume you call in a vehicle... is it red? What is it... that originally overcomes the inertia of this rotor... and starts the rotor... to moving?

Otis T. Carr : 0:06:43 The electromagnetic force... that was stored in the energy of the... Utron Electrical Accumulator... which... in a vernacular... is a battery.

David Bell : 0:06:55 Now the... Utron Accumulator is... these cones that are... have apexes inverted to each other with the bases together?

Otis T. Carr : 0:07:05 That's true.

That's true.
the Utron Accumulator is these cones that have apexes inverted to each other with the bases together?
The electromagnetic force that was stored in the energy of the Utron Electrical Accumulator... which in a vernacular is a battery.
What is it that originally overcomes the inertia of this rotor... and starts the rotor to moving?

David Bell : 0:07:07 Now... I know of a... batteries such as the... the zinc carbon battery with the (?)salimoniac(?)... a... a... material in between them. I know the... mercury battery... and... a... various types of... storage batteries such as... the nickel cadmium cell... the... lead sulfuric acid cell... does this come within the scope of any of those?

Otis T. Carr : 0:07:35 Yes it does... and we can use... any of the principles that you've mentioned. What we have here is a... tremendous size... in comparison to other batteries. Therefore an accumulates some cells... it's very easy to put... a thousand two volt cells inside... this one unit... as we see it externally... and have it function very well. In the plan of our... 45 foot craft... we plan to have a 12,000 volt battery. Which will expend an electromotive force of 12,000 volts to energize the a... electromagnets and the capacitor plates and the regenerative coils in turn will... put back into the battery... in this system the same amount of volts as going out. Until there is a breakdown of electrochemicals... and then of course... a... a wear out of the system. This could last as long as our average storage battery in an automobile.

David Bell : 0:08:40 Then in order to start the rotor off originally it would be necessary to... a... cause... a flow of electricity through one set of the coils.

Otis T. Carr : 0:08:52 That's true.

David Bell : 0:08:53 All right... is there any magnetic force in the other set of coils at this particular point?

Otis T. Carr : 0:08:59 They... they are individually... a... operate by circuit breakers. And the first motion begins to start... a repetition the same as we have... in a motor that has a... a... well a... the opposite of a commutator... which is a... a accumulation contact points... where in each coil in energized as the current... a... flows through this coil. Then... this starts the motion... and then a repetition of this motion... brings the... whole motor into phase and in the same sense a... our a... accumulator and the magnets become... speeded up and the circuits are... made and broken... as they rotate.

David Bell : 0:09:51 Now when this is resting... on the... when the entire craft is resting on the ground... a... it seems to me... that the outer portion... would have a certain amount of resistance... a... from friction provided by... the force resting on the ground. And that the... rotor on the inside... would be the only thing to be able to turn... is that correct?

Otis T. Carr : 0:10:19 You're seeing here... a... a model that has a stand that is not a part of the model. The operation is in the smaller model... as we see it here in the power systems... there is no... nothing... a... that a... is not a part of the unit itself. Now... in our design for a spacecraft... this is the power package. Then we have a cabin... and we have a landing apparatus as a part of it. Now this is... can be retractable the same as in our present a... flight systems.

our... 45 foot craft... we plan to have a 12,000 volt battery. Which will expend an electromotive force of 12,000 volts to energize the electromagnets and the capacitor plates and the regenerative coils in turn will put back into the battery in this system the same amount of volts as going out.

David Bell : 0:11:07 Now I have another thing that puzzles me a bit. There are a lot of things actually that puzzle me. But a... in this particular case where a... the rotor... of the inter rotor... starts rotating in one direction... and the other rotor starts rotating in the other direction... where are the people?

Otis T. Carr : 0:11:29 The people are in the third compartment... and this doesn't rotate.

David Bell : 0:11:36 How is it suspended?

Otis T. Carr : 0:11:38 The a... design is rather a... simple... and it is a... incidentally a... for the saucer enthusiast... it's a... somewhat like the... what is known as the... Adamski Cell. In general form... although our streamline is... much better. We have a... the cabin... is the actual center of the craft... and the battery... this accumulator is below the cabin and then the electromagnets are the total outside part of the circular foil... this being the cabin... here.

David Bell : 0:12:22 Do you believe in the Adamski craft a... Mr. Carr? Do you think that a... George had a... a real experience?

Otis T. Carr : 0:12:29 We believe... after having studying the photographs... that it is a highly functional device. We know nothing about Mr. Adamski or his experiences. We do not know the authenticity... but we do know... that such a craft using our principle... could most assuredly become airborne.

David Bell : 0:12:54 Mr. Carr there is something that still puzzles me about this. Is this cabin or bell in which the crew is housed... is located on top of this motivating mechanism. What keeps it from rotation in one direction or the other?

Otis T. Carr : 0:13:15 The shaft of the accumulator... goes through the cabin... and there is a bearing. Now just as this stays stationary when this is rotated... so will the cabin. Because there are two rotating forces. You have... the... (counter)... the clockwise rotation... of the accumulator... the capacitor plates and the regenerative coils. You have a counter clockwise rotation... of the entire circular area of the craft which hold... which is the... a... largest diameter part which... a... housed the electromagnets. Therefore when you have rotation in one direction and counter rotation in the other... the cabin itself is like a barracks. Like the... like the... center part. It's a... you might say it's an extenuation of the shaft.

David Bell : 0:14:20 I... Well I guess so...

Otis T. Carr : 0:14:23 We have... we've built the models sir... and proved them... this is correct.

there are two rotating forces. You have the clockwise rotation of the accumulator the capacitor plates and the regenerative coils.
You have a counter clockwise rotation of the entire circular area of the craft which hold the largest diameter part which housed the electromagnets. Therefore when you have rotation in one direction and counter rotation in the other
the cabin itself is like a barracks.

David Bell : 0:14:29 You built what models sir?

Otis T. Carr : 0:14:31 We have built... actual models... in fact...

David Bell : 0:14:34 Of the spacecraft?

Otis T. Carr : 0:14:35 Oh yes... yes we have.

David Bell : 0:14:37 Of the OTC X-1 ?

Otis T. Carr : 0:14:39 Yes we have built models sir.

David Bell : 0:14:42 And what could you accomplished with the models?

Otis T. Carr : 0:14:43 We have had six successful airborne flights electromagnetically and one escape flight. One a... we used circuit breakers of various types... a... to shut off power. And a even a... central fuses... that a... that burn... through a switch... we lost one craft.

David Bell : 0:15:07 What was the size of them sir?

Otis T. Carr : 0:15:10 The largest model we built and the one we lost was six feet in diameter.

David Bell : 0:15:15 When... when was this sir?

Otis T. Carr : 0:15:19 The date a... is a... we prefer not to mention it due to our patent procedure. It was in the past. But we have patent procedures going on now and they're certain... things involved relating dates.

Long John Nebel : 0:15:37 I was just wondering... a... Mr. Carr... and I sincerely hope you... don't mind a... our frank line of questioning. I noticed in this a... beautiful brochure... that is been a... presented to me by the O.T.C. Enterprises. That you constantly... talk about a... Carrotto Gravity Motor... have I pronounced that correctly sir?

Otis T. Carr : 0:16:04 Carrotto.

Long John Nebel : 0:16:04 Carrotto...

Otis T. Carr : 0:16:05 Right.

Long John Nebel : 0:16:06 ... Gravity Motor... you mentioned that it's portable. It requires no fixed location or large building in which to function in. You also say a lot of wonderful things about the possibility of this motor. Is it possible Mr. Carr... that you are trying to sell people... the idea of the value of this gravity motor... and you're sort of using the... spacecraft idea as a bit of showmanship to merchandize something else?

Carrotto Gravity Motor
you mentioned that it is portable. It requires no fixed location or large building in which to function in.
We have had six successful airborne flights electromagnetically and one escape flight.

Otis T. Carr : 0:16:37 They are two separate Carr packages. The spacecraft utilizes the electrical accumulator... the gravity motor uses the pressure energy of... of the... inertial attractive forces. We have... learned how... to take this energy... and key it... to a work shaft... and get work power... which we truly call free energy because it is. We do not make any part of it. Now in the... a... rather vulgar vernacular sense a few years ago... this would have been classified as... perpetual motion... it is nothing of the sort. We get... free energy in the same manner that a... storied up a... power in a... hydroelectric dam will continue to furnish energy for this dam... so long... I mean through this hydroelectric system... so long as there is a flow of pressure of water into dam to main it. 0:17:43 Now we have learned... that all... a... masses that are smaller than their... the mass to which they're attracted... exert energy. Even this ashtray here... if it weighs a pound... it's a... if it takes a pound of energy to lift it than... then it is exerting a pound of energy. So we have been able to put this to work. We have a... a true gravity motor... and this is what it is. And its functional operation is to produce... a... work power... continuously without any dissipation of the energy that causes it to operate. And we have built models of this... and these models operate and function and we are in patent procedure on them.

Long John Nebel : 0:18:35 Ben Isquith...

Ben Isquith : 0:18:36 Why I was just going to ask... do you also have models of the gravity motor? So a... what's your answer then Mr. Carr? I wonder... you a... in the brochure... and in... with a... Mr. Colton has a... stated tonight... you've offered... the spacecraft to the government... has there been any... to various government agencies... has there been any takers?

Otis T. Carr : 0:19:00 Up to the moment... no sir.

Ben Isquith : 0:19:03 Has... has anyone been interested? I mean... I imagine that a... if I was a government... a... official... God forbid...

Otis T. Carr : 0:19:11 We had...

Ben Isquith : 0:19:12 But if I was... and I had a... seen a demonstration... of a working model... or someone said they could show me a working model of a spacecraft... I would be very interested in going down and seeing it... has any government officials been that interested?

Otis T. Carr : 0:19:28 We have had the government scientists in our workshop. And a... this a... scientist a... stated that the five questions that a... he asked us... were satisfactory answered and that he was satisfied... that our ship could become electrically airborne. This was the evaluation he gave us.

Ben Isquith : 0:19:56 Did you show him a working model?

Otis T. Carr : 0:19:58 We showed him what you see here.

Ben Isquith : 0:20:01 In other words... not a working model?

Otis T. Carr : 0:20:03 We did not show him an activated prototype... no.

We have had the government scientists
in our workshop...
this scientist stated that
the five questions that he asked us were satisfactory answered and that he was satisfied that our ship could become
electrically airborne.
They are two separate Carr packages. The spacecraft utilizes the electrical accumulator the gravity motor uses the pressure energy of the inertial attractive forces.

Ben Isquith : 0:20:08 Didn't he want to look at one?

Otis T. Carr : 0:20:10 I think a lot of people want to look at one... and a... they will soon get this opportunity. We're in the mist of patent procedure and until this has been completed... we do not reveal everything.

Ben Isquith : 0:20:22 But since... since that visit by the government scientist... you haven't heard anything?

Otis T. Carr : 0:20:28 Not a thing.

Ben Isquith : 0:20:29 What a... are you free... free to tell us what agency he was from?

Otis T. Carr : 0:20:35 Mr. Colton... would you care to a...

Long John Nebel : 0:20:37 I think I can...

Norman Colton : 0:20:39 Go ahead John.

Long John Nebel : 0:20:40 I have the information... don't I?

Norman Colton : 0:20:41 Yes you do.

Long John Nebel : 0:20:43 This is from the Department of Defense... I have a letter that Mr. Colton turned over to me a moment ago... it's a... I can't see the... the rest of it here because... it's stapled down... let me see if I can get this thing... let me work on this letter head.

Norman Colton : 0:21:04 While you're taking that apart... I'll tell you that the two items you... hold there...

Long John Nebel : 0:21:08 You can tell me all you want... I mean... now... it's Department of the Army... offer of the chief... office pardon me... of the Chief of Research and Development of Washington DC. Now as soon as I put this together again... these are from the files of O.T.C. Enterprises of Baltimore. I'll a... read this... a... this letter is addressed to a... Mr. Otis... Otis T. Carr President of O.T.C. Enterprises Incorporated... Baltimore Maryland... and it's dated... 23rd day of December 1957... Dear Mr. Carr... In reply to your letter of 16 December 1957... this office... has considered the results of the visit on the above date... and the discussions with you on 21 November 1957. 0:21:59 The result of these conferences do not justify further interest by the Army in your proposal. Your interest in the Army is appreciated. Sincerely, John A. Org... Colonel. And it says... Chief of the Research Division Office... Chief of R & D. This is not quite clear to me Mr. Carr. In Mr. Org's first paragraph... he mentions about a visit. Did he visit your plant in Baltimore?

Otis T. Carr : 0:22:32 The a... there were a group of a... government officials... including a scientist.

The result of these conferences do not justify further interest by the Army in your proposal.
Carr reveals
the function within these hours of interviews
.
We're in the mist of patent procedure and until this has been completed... we do not reveal everything.

Long John Nebel : 0:22:39 That came to your plant... in Baltimore?

Otis T. Carr : 0:22:41 That is right.

Long John Nebel : 0:22:43 Could you give us any idea of the size of your plant in Baltimore?

Otis T. Carr : 0:22:46 Well this is really a field office... it's not a plant.

Long John Nebel : 0:22:49 uh huh

Otis T. Carr : 0:22:50 And we have a work shop there. We maintain our offices a... for our... corporate structure and so forth... they're all maintained... and all our records are in this sealed office.

Long John Nebel : 0:23:03 Well now where... where are these a... these model spacecraft? Where are they built sir?

Otis T. Carr : 0:23:09 We've built these in our own private laboratory in the past.

Long John Nebel : 0:23:14 And where's that located?

Otis T. Carr : 0:23:16 We've... the only workshop we have at the moment is our present address... that's... 2502 North Callow Street... Baltimore which is our field offices.

Long John Nebel : 0:23:28 In other words... that is the O.T.C. Enterprise as of today?

Otis T. Carr : 0:23:33 That is right.

Long John Nebel : 0:23:34 There is no plant... there is no research work that is going on except on the board?

Otis T. Carr : 0:23:39 You have seen a... the projections... the architect's preliminary plans...

Long John Nebel : 0:23:44 Yes we have.

Otis T. Carr : 0:23:45 ... of the...

Long John Nebel : 0:23:46 Very impressive.

Otis T. Carr : 0:23:47 ... research craft that we plan to build.

Long John Nebel : 0:23:50 When do you plan to build i

the only workshop we have at the moment is
our present address... 2502 North Callow Street Baltimore which is our field offices.

Otis T. Carr : 0:23:54 This is a matter of funds. Now our twenty million dollar offer... for the delivery of a... 45 foot Circular Foil Spacecraft... includes tooling. And tooling includes this total plant... as you saw in the a... preliminary architecture drawings.

Long John Nebel : 0:24:15 WOR Radio... 710 on the dial... in New York.

Otis T. Carr : 0:24:21 Possible to run up close... with a.. all tooling and all furnishings... around ten million. And the other ten million would be... use in the fabrication and checking out testing out of the... circular foil craft.

Long John Nebel : 0:24:35 I'm interested in a clipping that I have from the Buffalo New York Courier Express... dated... December 21st 1957... the article is headed... Army Rejects Offer to Build Spacecraft... I'm sorry... it's dated Washington December 20th. It seems that a spokesman... for the Army made this statement... The model shown does not meet presents or foreseeable needs of the Army. And... The Army has no further interest in the project as presented. Now... if you are correct sir... in your claims... that with this spacecraft... this O.T.C. X-1 Spacecraft. That if you had the opportunity to build it... that you can go to the Moon... in a period of five hours. It would seem to me that the Army or any branch of our armed services... would certainly be... greatly interested... in this project.

Otis T. Carr : 0:25:35 Not all a... developments that a... are... totally new... have often been rejected... which has nothing to do with their value. I think that a... there isn't any question about the... a... terrifying energy in the release of fissionable atomic power... but we do know that... the first (?)... who knew how to do it properly... even had their patent application turned down... and had it rejected. And it was not... it was only... (?)(?) by the United States. And it was only after... one of them... Dr. Fermi was awarded... the Nobel Prize... was his patent even reconsidered. So this a... it is not unusual to find... new and novel things which are far superior to what is accepted... being rejected on all sides. This does not qualify... the item... the actual... we feel... the demonstration of the models... of the building of this principle... and proving it... will speak for itself. And this is not too far off. Although we do have the problem of the amount of funds were mentioned.

Long John Nebel : 0:27:00 Mr. Carr... If you say that sometimes they're not interested in new ideas. Why have they been so interested... in attempting to launch... so many unsuccessful satellites?

Otis T. Carr : 0:27:18 Apparently... a... the rocket enthusiasts are the... ones who... have control of this type of thinking of the moment... I don't know. The a... to me... the... a rocket is a glorified shinning firecracker. This principle has been known for well over 11 hundred years. Newton gave his true evaluation... and of how to... properly use it... and then all of a sudden... a... some Chinese found out... that the function of a rocket... the reaction principle works as well... in a vacuum as it did in air resistance... and this rocket age of today was born. We think that it is as dead as a Do-do already. We think that when our first craft is built... rockets become... museum pieces.

We think that when our first craft is built... rockets become museum pieces.
to me... the rocket is
a glorified shinning firecracker. This principle has been known for
well over 11 hundred years.
our twenty million dollar offer for the delivery
of a
45 foot Circular Foil Spacecraft includes tooling. And tooling includes this total plant as you saw in the preliminary architecture drawings.

Long John Nebel : 0:28:15 When your first craft is built...

Otis T. Carr : 0:28:18 Right.

Long John Nebel : 0:28:19 You don't feel that there will be any need... for a rocket?

Otis T. Carr : 0:28:22 We see no need whatever. To us it's antiquated.

Long John Nebel : 0:28:29 Do you think that any foreign government... may be familiar with the idea that you have in mind... your plan sir?

Otis T. Carr : 0:28:34 We think that thousands of people all over the world understand this plan very well.

Long John Nebel : 0:28:39 You think that thousands...

Otis T. Carr : 0:28:41 We do.

Long John Nebel : 0:28:42 ... of people understand the plan?

Otis T. Carr : 0:28:44 We think so... yes sir.

Long John Nebel : 0:28:46 Ben Isquith

Ben Isquith : 0:28:49 What I was wondering... about the fact that... the Army and the Navy is anything... have been pretty lavish with a... research funds concerning Space. Potential spacecraft and rocketry. I... I even remember reading about a... some kids in Iowa... who were members of a high school rocket society... were shooting off their own rockets. And a... they got one up 200 feet or something... and they suppose to have... had some new gimmick... and they got a Navy research contract out of it. 0:29:21 And a... but the Navy is willing to give a research contract to a bunch of high school... boys and girls... who were... working it a rocket society... I don't understand why the department of defense is so blind to a spacecraft... on an entirely new principle. Do you have any comment on that sir? Go right ahead.

Otis T. Carr : 0:29:45 Well we don't either... we haven't refused any offers.

Long John Nebel : 0:29:50 Mr. Carr... we had a gentleman on this program recently... a man by the name of Reinholdt O. Schmitt. Mr. Schmitt lives... someplace in California... and he claims that he had a rather unusual experience... in Kearney Nebraska... on the afternoon of November 5th the year 1957. He claims he was driving in his 1955 Buick... came to an empty piece of property on the outskirts of Kearney Nebraska... and a rather strange craft... was hovering over this empty piece of property. Eventually it landed. There were six occupants in the craft... he was invited in. Four of them were men... two of them were woman... spoke in a high German. And I was wondering... if you're familiar with that story... and if you have any opinion about Mr. Schmitt's story?

Otis T. Carr : 0:30:49 We only know what we read in the papers. And a... it's hard for us to express and opinion. We... know that an electrified craft... can become airborne... we have done it. We know that ours works. We have never seen one... except in the air... at high velocity.

Long John Nebel : 0:31:18 And possibility... the ones that you've seen are from other planets?

Otis T. Carr : 0:31:21 There's a... great possibility... yes.

Long John Nebel : 0:31:24 Or is it possibility... that they... a... their origin may be... a... from some... foreign country?

Otis T. Carr : 0:31:31 We questioned that any country... which (?)... are still pursuing... and it seems to be... that all countries are pursing the... missile program... and the so-called... a... inter continental ballistic missile and so forth. If they had an electrified craft... such as we know can be built... why are they proceeding the other way? They are doing now. We don't know this answer... and therefore we can only assume... that what has been see legitimately... and I don't say that a... any of these stories are not... because I don't know... I have no way of investigating them. But we do know... that there are... some very excellent observers... who are scientists and who have seen an electrified object in the air. We know... the Lubeck lights have never been explained. And they were seen by scientists and they were properly photographed and they were certainly luminescent.

Long John Nebel : 0:32:34 Mr. Carr... prior to the year... well I think you did mention... the first fifteen or twenty minutes that a... you started our discussion this morning... that back in the year 1937... that you had this idea of developing... this unusual type of spacecraft... and that you incorporated... that is O.T.C. Enterprises... a... was incorporated in the year of 1955. Between the years... of a... '37 and '55... a... what was your source of livelihood sir... your source of income... primary the development of this?

Otis T. Carr : 0:33:14 No... we worked at a... other tasks... in order to... maintain ourself. And since a... all the funds that we could get our hands on to... to continue experiments. We maintain a...laboratory in New York City... a... up around... 63rd Street and Amsterdam Avenue. From 1938 to... a... close to 1942... and a... we moved to Baltimore... and we opened up our small... experimental workshop there... and maintained it. All our time in Baltimore we were... a... desk clerk... at the Southern Hotel... until we had completed our experiments when I...

Long John Nebel : 0:34:03 You're using the editorial... we again?

Otis T. Carr : 0:34:05 That's right.